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Moskiev wrote:

In my country it is illegal to fire someone and then replace him with another worker tomorrow, because the logic behind it is that if you fire the person, person who did not violate company or state rules, it is considered as 'reduntant worker', so it would be illogical for company to find a replacement if the position has become redunant.

Firing a worker for cause is a given. I've had to fire a number of people in my career. For some reason, no matter how badly they screwed up, all but one said it wasn't fair that they didn't get another chance.

That said, as an employer I reserve the absolute right to decide who gets the paychecks I write. If I decide that someone is toxic to the work place for whatever reason, even if technically they've broken no rules, they're out of there. I'm not running a social services operation or an adult daycare.

Moskiev wrote:

Trainee period last for 3 months max, so they fire you after 3 months and replace you with another 'trainee', despite most of those workers being qualified and suitable for the long term job. Now we(our gov and unions) fight this loophole, but victory doesnt seem close.

We have a similar situation when we bring on a new hire. It is called "the probationary period." During that period ether the employee or the employer can call it a bad relationship and walk away without consequence.

I don't know why employers in your country would turn the employees over without cause unless your laws created unintended consequences. To me, that sounds like a waste of a lot of paperwork and training time.

I gotta catch a plane. I'll be back later for the rest of that.

Flaming Death on a Stick wrote:

Firing a worker for cause is a given. I've had to fire a number of people in my career. For some reason, no matter how badly they screwed up, all but one said it wasn't fair that they didn't get another chance.

That said, as an employer I reserve the absolute right to decide who gets the paychecks I write. If I decide that someone is toxic to the work place for whatever reason, even if technically they've broken no rules, they're out of there. I'm not running a social services operation or an adult daycare.

We have a similar situation when we bring on a new hire. It is called "the probationary period." During that period ether the employee or the employer can call it a bad relationship and walk away without consequence.

I don't know why employers in your country would turn the employees over without cause unless your laws created unintended consequences. To me, that sounds like a waste of a lot of paperwork and training time.

I gotta catch a plane. I'll be back later for the rest of that.

Oh because of benefits lol. I assumed you would know but then I realized its US vs Europe system; here we copy european economic laws, which is part of the welfare state etc etc. You dont pay workers benefits to trainees, thats the point. You have to pay aprox 50-100% for each worker, depends on the job but im just simplifiying to you; so if you give 1000 euros to your worker as a wage, that mean you give 500-1000 to the state, as workers benefits; dental, healthcare, mother care, pension plan, taxes, etc etc.
So companies keep you on prob period as trainee for 3 months (usually 3, it varies from industry to industry) in order to just pay you your salary, without paying the state.

Funfact: here, taxes are automatic. Deducted from your wage, so no IRS and you listing your income for them. The company and state do your taxes to you. Way easier and casual, saves lots of time.
Downside: 99% of people dont know how much taxes they pay, how much their money goes to taxes, when, how, why.

Another funfact; my gov(Serbian) pays foreign companies (around $10k per worker so ive heard) to come and open factories. They pay no taxes for certain amount of time, and some of them even dont pay electricity or water (here its very expensive to get connected to E & W).
So good side is there are jobs, downside is gov budget gets income taxes but no corpo taxes. There in an old folk saying here that goes "You are pouring from hollow to empty".

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Where are you headed?

College football.

Moskiev wrote:

Oh because of benefits lol. I assumed you would know but then I realized its US vs Europe system; here we copy european economic laws, which is part of the welfare state etc etc. You dont pay workers benefits to trainees, thats the point. You have to pay aprox 50-100% for each worker, depends on the job but im just simplifiying to you; so if you give 1000 euros to your worker as a wage, that mean you give 500-1000 to the state, as workers benefits; dental, healthcare, mother care, pension plan, taxes, etc etc.

Okay, now it makes sense.

Moskiev wrote:

Downside: 99% of people dont know how much taxes they pay, how much their money goes to taxes, when, how, why.

There is nothing more pliable than a population who has no idea what they are paying in direct and indirect taxes. Are the taxes actually hidden, or do the workers get a pay stub showing how much of their income was taken?

Moskiev wrote:

So good side is there are jobs, downside is gov budget gets income taxes but no corpo taxes. There in an old folk saying here that goes "You are pouring from hollow to empty".

$10,000 a worker? That's pretty steep. Not a bad deal if you can get it.

That equation is not as simple as you describe. Hopefully the government leaders can do math and balance out the concessions against the income from worker's taxes, worker's spending money in the city the factory goes into, the revenue from the factory purchasing raw materials and supplies to operate, the additional jobs that will be created to service the factory, etc, etc. If Serbia has a value added tax, all those workers buying things are really going to pay off.

Hopefully they did the math right and there is a net gain to the community.

Moskiev wrote:

Hows it in USA? Is it really so decentralized as Ive always heard; 'Only common thing 50 states have is military, finance and foreign policy', or is there more? Does every US state has its own tax code? internal security? Education program? etc

Let's see now...

Yes. very decentralized. During the Great Depression (1930's), President Franklin D. Roosevelt attempted to micromanage production and wages. At a time when the entire federal code (law), including tax laws fit comfortably into two volumes, FDR's New Recovery Administration wrote enough central control regulation to fill eleven volumes. Those regulations came down to how much you could pay your book keeper and the proper way to sell a live chicken.

It was a total disaster. FDR's New Deal, combined with the previous administration's Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act and 1932 Revenue Recovery Act (or something like that) took what would have been a recession and made it into a Great Depression. The real hero of the Great Depression was Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto who ended it in one morning on Dec. 7th, 1941.

So now our agricultural and manufacturing sectors are pretty much consumer driven. If something doesn't sell well, it doesn't get produced. There is a carve out in the industrial side of the equation that needs to be addressed. There is a significant portion of private industry building for defense. I don't know what the percentage is, but the sales are measured in millions and trillions of dollars.

The states all share in the federal government. The federal government does indeed provide the military. The states have their own National Guard operations that are at the command of the state governor. But those Guard units are funded primarily by the federal government.

The states also come under federal law through the supremacy clause of the US Constitution. Words to the effect of anything not mentioned in the Constitution is left for the states to decide. One example that seems to shock people is that murder is not against federal law. With some narrow carve outs like killing and FBI agent on duty, or taking a shot at the President, murder is purely a state matter.

However, the federal government does find ways to bend the states to the will of congress. They do this by tying "strings" to the flow of money to the states. A couple glaring examples come from federal highway funds. Back in the Carter Administration (What a freakin' dumpster fire) the feds decided to conserve fuel, the national speed limit would be 55MPH (88.5 KMH). They tied that limit to the highways fund grants and matching funds that went to the states. Any state that didn't go along with the program didn't get any federal highway money.

The feds did the same thing to get all the states to raise the drinking age to 21 at a time when many states drew the line at 18.

There is a federal tax code. All the people, corporations, businesses, and non-profits in the US are subject to it, especially the income tax part of it. Below that come 51 different sets of tax codes. Some states don't have income tax. Other states don't have sales tax. All states have some form of property tax, license plate fees (tax), business license fee (tax), etc. Those vastly different state tax structures are why wealthy individuals are fleeing states like California, New York, and Washington.

Internal security from domestic problems is handled by state and local police. Those agencies can, and frequently do, get an assist from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in high profile or serial cases. The fun loving boys and girls from the federal Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agency (That should be a convenience store, not a federal law enforcement agency) will also assist local police when guns or explosives are involved. External threats, like from foreign actors and terrorists, are taken care of by the federal government, sometimes with the local police pitching in.

Education is another dumpster fire. It used to be strictly a state matter. Then President Carter (The second or third worse President this nation has ever seen.) established the US Department of Education and created a cabinet post: The Secretary of Education. From that day forward, the US Department of Education began it's trek into what it is now: A vast leviathan of conflicting rules and regulation, DEI crap, left wing indoctrination. The DOE embedded tentacles deep inside almost all aspects of public education right down to what the lunch ladies are serving the students in the lunchroom. The entire department is nothing more than a gift to the teacher's unions.

President Trump promised to dissolve the Education department and cabinet position. He's working on it, but the Democrats are fighting it tooth and nail.

Is that everything?

I sneakalate wrote:

Where do you stand on Artificial Intelligence?

AI should be nothing more than a highly skilled search engine.

I routinely turn AI off on everything I own. I switched from Windows to Linux over it.