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Meanwhile in other news. .

I'm just in a pub after taking part in the people's vote march I London. First protest I've taken part of. Apparently a million people were present.

Chan island wrote:Meanwhile in other news. .

I'm just in a pub after taking part in the people's vote march I London. First protest I've taken part of. Apparently a million people were present.

One of my mates was in that. Looked like a lot of people from the photos.

Post self-deleted by Chan island.

Caracasus wrote:One of my mates was in that. Looked like a lot of people from the photos.

I bet they would! A friend of mine got stuck at Trafalgar actually because there just was no more space to cram more people into parliament square (I was there though).

Murmuria, Caracasus, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 3 othersTurbeaux, Canaltia, and Rivienland

Greetings! I'm a puppet of Lauchenoiria, come to say hi and stay a while if that's okay.

Zongongia wrote:Greetings! I'm a puppet of Lauchenoiria, come to say hi and stay a while if that's okay.

Glad to have you. Welcome!

Errinundera

Some thoughts.

The perpetrator of the NZ mosque slayings is Australian. Something that people tend to overlook is that he chose NZ as his target because he couldn't get the weapons he wanted in Australia, nor could he bring them back if he purchased them there.

I find it odd when Americans express their lack of trust in Government. In a democracy the Government is "us". It is our bulwark against misfortune and misbehaviour and is our only way of restraining powerful interests whose intentions are inimical to our wellbeing. To mistrust Government is to lack faith in ourselves and to cede power to those who would do us harm. That is why the loudest voices shouting, "government is bad," are those powerful interests who seek to preserve their advantages.

On nativism, I prefer an inclusive approach. To me the definition of an Australian is someone who either - has (or had) the right to vote, or could vote if they took the necessary legal steps, or if their parents have or had those rights. The destruction of aboriginal and islander society is a shameful part of our history, but I believe democacy is broad and inclusive enough for our nation to address, and redress, the wrongs of the past. I remember attending a function where an aboriginal activist, Noel Pearson, spoke on the significance of the Mabo and Wik decisions of the High Court, and the legislation to enact those decisions. He said that while the decisions meant that all Australians had to accept the reality of native title, it also meant that aborigines had to accept the legal authority of Parliament and the High Court. He saw it as a legal basis for reconciliation.

Paradoxically, immigrant nations founded on dispossession have an advantage over nations who, either legally or in practice, define themselves culturally or ethnically. Places like Australia, or the US, or Canada or New Zealand, for all their faults, define their people through their constitutions, not their history or ethnicity or culture. Well, they can't. For sure, in my country, being a male from a longer established immigrant cohort gives me significant systemic advantages, but it doesn't make me any more Australian than anyone else. Parliament exists to address those kind of issues. And I also get that constitutions reflect the belief systems of the people who drafted them, but, in my country at least, the constitution is amended from time to time via referenda - the classic example being the 1967 referendum to give the Federal Government the power to make laws concerning aborigines. (Fully supported by aboriginal activists it was a beautiful example of citizens trusting their government to legislate for a group's wellbeing.)

At the risk of offending people, those nations that, regardless of the legal apparatus, define themselves by some cultural identity create problems of legitimacy for people living within their borders. That's why Greece gets into knots over the definition and title of Macedonia. How can you be Greek if you are Macedonian? It's why Turkey, Syria and Iraq struggle to deal with the Kurds (and why the Kurds seek autonomy). The fallacy of the "Great Replacement" only has currency if people are defined by culture rather than citizenship. To be a citizen is to accept a compact along the lines argued by Noel Pearson above.

Anyway, I need to get on with recording, for the upcoming election, those NS players in Forest who take their citizenship roles seriously.

Errinundera wrote:I find it odd when Americans express their lack of trust in Government. In a democracy the Government is "us". It is our bulwark against misfortune and misbehaviour and is our only way of restraining powerful interests whose intentions are inimical to our wellbeing. To mistrust Government is to lack faith in ourselves and to cede power to those who would do us harm. That is why the loudest voices shouting, "government is bad," are those powerful interests who seek to preserve their advantages.

Anyway, I need to get on with recording, for the upcoming election, those NS players in Forest who take their citizenship roles seriously.

This is very well said. As an American who, oddly, does value the government and has a much greater fondness for the apparatus of the government (if not the people who are in it, seemingly ever...), I entirely agree with you. I would offer that that particular American sentiment, which is variously shared at some point by virtually everyone here, stems in part from the long-standing suspicion and latent-to-explicit lack of respect as a rule for any and all authorities, experts, hierarchy, etc. From whatever actual grounding there may have been in the actual motivations of the people living at the time of the American Revolution and westward expansion, modern and contemporary America has imagined and held itself to basically have been "destined for greatness from the beginning," so to speak, because we "threw off the British!" *muscles arms*, and because we "set out to tame the great New World" *flashy smile*, and more recently because we "saved the world twice," once with our "'new-clear' bombs," and because we have awesome STUFF and entertainment and we're just sort of...well... fat now, and with decaying road networks and stupid suburbs all over everything. Yay. But goddamnit, "we sure showed em', huh?! Best in da world!" *high fives*

I sort of lost the thread of it, but I mean to say that it is, both in effect and also as a matter of cultural pride, a very "American" thing to not just give the middle finger to government once it's done something wrong (and to be sure, the Federal Government has done a lot of nasty, scary, and plain of wrong sh!t sometimes, even to its own citizens), but just for the sake of giving "The Man" the middle finger.

We're the kid who wears sunglasses inside on a rainy day, just because once, someone told us to take them off or risk looking like either an ass or a blind person. We're good at being the former, and increasingly we're becoming the latter.

Errinundera, Verdant Haven, Caracasus, Mount Seymour, and 7 othersShwe Tu Colony, Lord Dominator, Uan aa Boa, Turbeaux, Canaltia, Rivienland, and The mongol forest

Nations eligible to vote for the Forest Keeper:

Aeterno tranquillitas
Aeyen valley
Atsvea
Australis terra
Awhaiti-kaia-atu
Bakwaas
Banandonia
Bilsa
The Black Forrest
Blon Gre
Boar stacks
The british antarctic expedition
Canaltia
Candlewhisper Archive
Cannibaland
Caterasia
Cat-herders united
Catterland
Chan island
Chilledsville
Coranova
Cosona
The Cypher Nine
Drasnia
Dwardossa
Edible Plywood
Effazio
Elundris
Entitize
Esterild
Ertaland
Eryndlynd
Fahx
Feladria
Floroprus
Forgotten Beauty
French frys
Frieden-und Freudenland
Froenburg
Green jungle
The Grene Knyght
Hallow empire
Hathoratrix
Helowi
Ironic remarks
Jeffenburg
Kannap
Kawastyselir
Kinganaryasia
Larifien
Love and Nature
Malsti
Meropis
Mountain ash forests - puppet of Errinundera with prescribed voting rights
Na realtai
The new bluestocking homeland
New Kvenland
New ladavia
New sullivan
Nightmarez
Novian Republics
Ownzone
Palatamorphia
Penguinmattland
Plifte
Prydaein
Pyronis
Ransium
Reannia
Rivienland
Rorston
Ruinenlust
Sacara
Sanctuary ct
Sand point
Santa guerrera
Sapnu puas
Shimerta
Simad
Solkaina
The southern cascadian states
Taco Respublic
Tauride
Turbeaux
Uan aa Boa
Ursa corvus
Utopian earth
Vanenia
Velkia and the Islands
Verdant Haven
The void territories
Wantevolo
Window Land
Xandar
Ziotah and Riverside
Zumelstein

Candidates:

Chan island
Turbeaux

We have now entered the campaign week. All the best.

Murmuria, Mount Seymour, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 8 othersUan aa Boa, Turbeaux, Canaltia, Seagull, Larifien, Rivienland, The mongol forest, and The king of all cosmos

Hurts not to see me up there. :(

(seriously though I wouldn't know who to vote for)

Mount Seymour, Lord Dominator, Turbeaux, Canaltia, and 2 othersThe mongol forest, and The king of all cosmos

Jutsa wrote:Hurts not to see me up there. :(

(seriously though I wouldn't know who to vote for)

Well, we do have only two candidates, so if both of them are really good you can just flip a coin :P

Ruinenlust, Turbeaux, Canaltia, Rivienland, and 2 othersThe mongol forest, and The king of all cosmos

Lord Dominator wrote:Well, we do have only two candidates, so if both of them are really good you can just flip a coin :P

On one hand, Chan offered tours. On the other hand, they were for NSG. Turbeaux is my boss, but also my enemy in challenges. So yeah, fairly balanced.

Mount Seymour, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, Turbeaux, and 3 othersSeagull, Rivienland, and The mongol forest

Sorry for double post, but this is literally my first time ever doing it.

At work tonight, my choir director came in, told me, and I quote, "I was told I could find you here." Then they got me to do a solo part for the Easter Vigil. I think I understand how the side characters in a "getting the band back together" montage feel.

Oh, and I also got a second degree burn on my hand from steam. Good times.

Edit: Verdant Haven pointed out my spelling was stupid. So I fixed it.

Canaltia wrote:Sorry for double post, but this is literally my first time ever doing it.

At work tonight, my choir director came in, told me, and I quote, "I was told I could fine you here." Then they got me to do a solo part for the Easter Vigil. I think I understand how the side characters in a "getting the band back together" montage feel.

Oh, and I also got a second degree burn on my hand from steam. Good times.

Oi, steam burns suck! Blister burns from steam even more so... be sure to have that checked out.

And... fines? The choir director can fine you? That seems like the sort of situation one should depart from post haste.

Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, Turbeaux, Canaltia, and 2 othersRivienland, and The mongol forest

Aclion wrote:Naturally, guns are a force equalizer. But as we've seen civil rights movement even breaking the monopoly on force can be enough to safeguard your rights from tyrants. Remember that people violating the right to speak, the right to assemble and the right right to vote are doing so because they fear they will lose if people can speak, assemble or vote against them. If you're so out there that society is against you, even when you're getting murdered, then it doesn't matter what you say, how much you rally or how you vote; so there's no need for a tyrant to spend the moral legitimacy they'd lose stopping you from doing so.

this actually reinforces my point: that tyranny doesn't have to come from the top. it even most often doesn't. when everyone is harassing each other, that is tyranny. regardless of ideology or anything else. the freedom to deny freedom to others, is a net loss of freedom. not ever a gain. when people harass each other, this is denying others the freedom to think their own thoughts. when you tell someone what to pretend about what is not known, this is robbing them of their freedom of thought as well. what we don't know owes nothing to what people tell each other to think about it.

there's another thing about "equalizers" from my perspective, is if they're lethal, that's a good reason not to use or even have them, because moral you would have to hesitate to use them. something that has a much higher probability of being non-lethal and not causing perminent serious injury, would be much more logically useful as an equalizer, then anything like a gun, which carries a very high risk of creating these problems.

Queen falcona stark

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From the Kitchens of Cajun winterfell, a delightfully mouth watering aroma saturated the atmosphere as Cajun Winterfellian cooks labored to prepare a sumptious buffet for everyone in Forest. Today's special is An Assortment of Brownies. Eat all you can!

Cookies-and-Milk Cheesecake Brownie Bars (Betty Crocker)

Triple-layered lusciousness, all in one bar: Brownies on the bottom, creamy cheesecake in the middle and tender chocolate chip cookies on top.
By Betty Crocker Kitchens

Ingredients:

Brownie Base:

1nbox (1 lb 2.3 oz) Betty Crocker™ fudge brownie mix

1/2 cup vegetable oil

3 tablespoons water

2 eggs

Cheesecake Layer:

2 packages (8 oz each) cream cheese, softened

3/4 cup sugar

2 eggs

1 teaspoon vanilla

Chocolate Chip Cookie Layer:

1 pouch (1 lb 1.5 oz) Betty Crocker™ chocolate chip cookie mix

1 tablespoon Gold Medal™ all-purpose flour

1/2 cup butter, softened

1 egg

Directions:

1. Heat oven to 350°F. Grease bottom only of 13x9-inch pan with shortening or cooking spray.

2. In large bowl, mix Brownie Base ingredients until well blended. Spread in pan. Bake 20 minutes.

3. Meanwhile, in large bowl, beat cream cheese with electric mixer on medium speed until smooth. Add sugar; beat until blended. Add 2 eggs and vanilla; beat just until blended. In medium bowl, stir together chocolate chip cookie mix and flour. Add softened butter and 1 egg; stir until soft dough forms.

4. Spread cheesecake layer mixture over hot brownie base. Drop teaspoonfuls of chocolate chip cookie dough over cheesecake layer.

5. Bake 35 to 40 minutes or until cookie is golden brown. Cool 1 hour. Refrigerate at least 3 hours before cutting and serving. Cut into 6 rows by 5 rows. Store covered in refrigerator.

Expert Tips:

It’s Betty Crocker™ fudge brownie mix and Betty Crocker™ chocolate chip cookie mix that make this bar so easy to make!

Use a wet knife for cutting cheesecake bars, wiping off crumbs after each cut.

Recipe taken from Linkhere

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Oreo™ Brownie Lush (Betty Crocker)

This Oreo™ dessert is cool, decadent and guaranteed to get chocolate lovers raving. A fudgy brownie layer is topped with a whipped cream cheese layer, crushed Oreo™ cookies, chocolate pudding and more whipped topping - it'll be your new potluck go-to in no time.
By Betty Crocker Kitchens

Ingredients:

Brownie Base:

1 box (18.3 oz) Betty Crocker™ fudge brownie mix

Water, vegetable oil and eggs called for on brownie mix box for cakelike brownies

Layers:

1 package (8 oz) cream cheese, softened

1 cup powdered sugar

1 container (12 oz) Cool Whip™ frozen whipped topping, thawed

1 1/2 cups finely crushed Oreo™ chocolate sandwich cookies (about 16 cookies)

2 boxes (4-serving size each) Jell-O™ chocolate-flavor instant pudding and pie filling mix

3 cups cold milk

Topping:

1/2 cup coarsely crushed Oreo™ chocolate sandwich cookies (about 4 cookies)

Directions:

1. Heat oven to 350°F. Spray bottom only of 13x9-inch pan with cooking spray.

2. Make brownie batter as directed on box for cakelike brownies. Spread in pan. Bake 22 to 25 minutes or until toothpick inserted 2 inches from side comes out almost clean. Cool completely, about 1 hour.

3. In large bowl, beat cream cheese and powdered sugar with electric mixer on medium speed until smooth, scraping down side of bowl frequently. Beat in 2 cups of the whipped topping. Spread over brownie. Sprinkle 1 1/2 cups finely crushed cookies over cream cheese mixture.

4. In medium bowl, beat dry pudding mixes and milk with whisk about 2 minutes or until thick. Spread over cookie layer. Drop remaining whipped topping by spoonfuls over pudding layer; spread evenly. Cover and refrigerate 4 hours.

5. When ready to serve, sprinkle 1/2 cup coarsely crushed cookies on top. Cut into 6 rows by 4 rows. Cover and refrigerate any remaining pieces.

Expert Tips:

• What is a lush? A lush is a party-perfect “no-bake” dessert, which is also known as a dessert lasagna, layered dessert or ice-box cake. It’s defined by decadent layers of varying flavors and textures – think sugar cookies, banana pudding and cool whip. Usually, a lush is made up of a brownie or crushed cookie base topped by various layers of flavored cream cheese, cool whip, pudding or all of the above! With their fluffy creamy tops dotted with garnishes – anything from cookies to candy to fruit to chocolate sauce – lushes look as good as they taste!

• What’s in this lush? This lush has a fudgy brownie base topped with whipped cream cheese, crushed Oreo cookies, chocolate pudding, more whipped topping and a garnish of more Oreos. In other words, it’s a chocolate lover’s dream come true!

• This sounds like a lot of work. There are three to four bowls needed in order to make the dessert, so there are some dishes, but the payoff is a delicious dessert that is perfect for potlucks.

• Here are our best tips for mastering this lush.

• While a metal 13x9 pan will certainly do, we recommend making this in a glass pan, because it shows the pretty layers.

• Soften the cream cheese before mixing, so it blends well, and there are no lumps. To quickly soften cream cheese, remove from wrapper and place on microwavable plate. Microwave uncovered on High about 15 seconds or just until softened.

• For the crushed Oreo layer, you can use a food processor to crush the cookies into a fine crumb. If you don’t own a food processor, place cookies in a zip-top plastic bag and using a rolling pin, meat mallet or the back of a small pan to crush cookies. You want a fine crumb, so the base holds together.

• When spreading the layers of filling, its best to drop dollops and then spread over the surface using the back of a spoon or a flat metal spatula.

• The coarsely crushed cookies used as a garnish can simply be crushed by hand or roughly chopped.

• Don’t skimp on the four hours of refrigeration time needed. Lushes cut the best when super cold.

• Can I make this ahead? Yes, this dessert can be made the day before. Add your coarsely crushed Oreo garnish right before serving for the best taste – they add a little crunch – and the prettiest presentation.

• How long will a lush keep? This recipe makes 24 servings. If you have any leftovers, cover your pan with foil and store in the fridge for up a few days. Where can I find more lush recipes? If you find yourself in love with this lush, Betty’s got plenty more recipes you’ll want to try this summer, including Lemon Lush, Strawberry Shortcake Lush, Berry Lush, Banana Cream Pie Lush, Spumoni Brownie Lush and more!

Recipe taken from Linkhere

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Pumpkin Swirl Brownies (Betty Crocker)

Fudgy brownies. Creamy pumpkin and cream cheese swirl. Yummy!
By Betty Crocker Kitchens

Ingredients:

Filling:
3 oz (from 8-oz package) cream cheese, softened
1/2 cup canned pumpkin (not pumpkin pie mix)
1 egg
3 tablespoons sugar
1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg

Brownies:

1 box Betty Crocker™ Supreme original brownie mix
Water, vegetable oil and eggs called for on brownie mix box

Steps:

1. Heat oven to 350°F. Spray bottom only of 9-inch square pan with cooking spray. In medium bowl, beat Filling ingredients with electric mixer on low speed until smooth. Set aside.

2. Make brownie batter as directed on box. Spread 2 1/4 cups of the brownie batter in pan. Spoon filling by tablespoonfuls evenly over batter. Spoon remaining brownie batter over filling. Cut through several times with knife for marbled design.

3. Bake 38 to 42 minutes or until toothpick inserted 2 inches from side of pan comes out almost clean. Cool 30 minutes on cooling rack. Refrigerate about 2 hours or until cooled completely. Cut into 4 rows by 4 rows. Store covered in refrigerator.

Expert Tips:

You can freeze leftover pumpkin in an airtight container for your favorite recipes. Just thaw and stir before adding.

Recipe taken from Linkhere

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Chunky Cheesecake Brownies (AllRecipes)

Ingredients:

1 (8 ounce) package cream cheese, softened
1/4 cup white sugar
1 egg
1 cup semisweet chocolate chips
1/4 cup butter
1/2 cup white sugar
2 eggs
2/3 cup all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1/4 teaspoon salt

Directions:

1. Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Grease a 9-inch square baking pan.

2. Combine cream cheese with 1/4 cup sugar and 1 egg in a mixing bowl; beat until smooth. Stir 1 cup chocolate chips into the cream cheese mixture. Set aside.

3. Fill a saucepan with water and bring to a boil. Turn the heat off, and set a heatproof mixing bowl over the water. In the mixing bowl, combine butter with the remaining cup of chocolate chips; stir until just melted and blended together. Stir in the remaining 1/2 cup sugar and 2 eggs, then sift together flour, baking powder, and salt; stir into chocolate until evenly blended.

4. Pour half of the batter into the prepared baking pan. Spread the cream cheese mixture over the chocolate layer. Top with remaining chocolate mixture (this doesn't need to completely cover the cream cheese layer). Using a knife, swirl the top chocolate layer into the cream cheese to make a marble pattern.

5. Bake in preheated oven at 350 degrees F (175 degrees C) for 25 to 30 minutes, or until top is crinkled and edges pull away from sides of the pan. Cool thoroughly. Cut into 12 to 16 squares. Store in the refrigerator or freeze.

Tip:

Parchment can be used for easier cleanup/removal from the pan.

Recipe taken from Linkhere.

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Red Velvet Cheesecake Swirl Brownies (AllRecipes)

Ingredients:

1/2 cup unsalted butter, melted
1 cup white sugar
1/4 cup unsweetened cocoa powder
1 ounce red food coloring
1 teaspoon vanilla extract
1 teaspoon distilled white vinegar
1/4 teaspoon salt
2 large eggs, slightly beaten
3/4 cup all-purpose flour
1 (8 ounce) package cream cheese at room temperature
1/4 cup white sugar
1 large egg
1/4 teaspoon vanilla extract

Directions:

1. Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C). Grease an 8x8-inch baking pan.

2. Whisk melted butter with 1 cup sugar in a large mixing bowl; stir cocoa, red food coloring, 1 teaspoon vanilla extract, vinegar, and salt into butter mixture one at a time, mixing well after each addition to avoid lumps. Stir 2 eggs into mixture until thoroughly combined.

3. Stir flour into cocoa mixture just until combined; set aside 1/4 cup batter. Pour remaining batter into the prepared baking dish.

4. Beat cream cheese in a bowl using an electric mixer on medium speed until light and fluffy; beat 1/4 cup sugar, 1 egg, and 1/4 teaspoon vanilla extract into cream cheese until very well blended and only small lumps remain, 3 to 4 minutes.

5. Spoon cream cheese mixture in dollops over the batter in pan; gently smooth tops of dollops even with batter using a knife or offset spatula. Do not overmix. Drizzle reserved 1/4 cup of batter over the dollops of cream cheese mixture. Drag a knife or skewer through the batter and cream cheese mixture to create swirls.

6. Bake in the preheated oven until a toothpick inserted into the center of the pan comes out clean, 30 to 35 minutes. Cool completely before cutting into bars; store covered in refrigerator.

Cook's Note:

The fluffier and smoother you can get the cheesecake mixture, the easier it will be to spread. I think this is best served the next day!

Recipe taken from Linkhere.

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Mmm...Mmm...Finger Lickin' Good! <3

~This Texas Culinary Channel (TCC) program is sponsored by Cajun winterfell Food Network (CWFN) of Texas.~

Only 2 candidates and I'm one of them? Guess I'll have to actually take this slightly seriously in order to give a worthy democratic process...

The tours will also include the arts and fiction section XD

Sacara, Caracasus, Jutsa, Mount Seymour, and 5 othersLord Dominator, Turbeaux, Canaltia, Seagull, and Rivienland

My corruption stat has now achieved over 600 kickbacks per hour.
I think it's safe to say that I've achieved such high corruption it doesn't really qualify as corruption :P

Caracasus, Jutsa, Turbeaux, Canaltia, and 4 othersLarifien, Rivienland, Cat-herders united, and The king of all cosmos

*screech* XX CRASH.......ouch

Errinundera wrote:Some thoughts.

I find it odd when Americans express their lack of trust in Government. In a democracy the Government is "us". It is our bulwark against misfortune and misbehaviour and is our only way of restraining powerful interests whose intentions are inimical to our wellbeing. To mistrust Government is to lack faith in ourselves and to cede power to those who would do us harm. That is why the loudest voices shouting, "government is bad," are those powerful interests who seek to preserve their advantages.

Anyway, I need to get on with recording, for the upcoming election, those NS players in Forest who take their citizenship roles seriously.

As an American, I disagree with your characterization of our government as "a democracy". We have an entire branch of government that is appointed rather than elected. Also, corporations have an outsized influence on our government due to their use of lobbyists and PACs. At best the US has a mixed government rooted in republicanism (small "r", not the people who voted a Cheeto into the presidency).

Caracasus, Jutsa, Lord Dominator, Canaltia, and 2 othersCat-herders united, and Santa guerrera

And even then when we can vote, we're stuck with those groomed for corruption. Plus we go through delegation... and super delegates casting 20% the votes, lobbyists, manipulation based on how legislation's implemented legally, etc. I've no trust for our government if you couldn't tell xd

Caracasus, Lord Dominator, Areulder, Turbeaux, and 4 othersCanaltia, Seagull, Rivienland, and Santa guerrera

Jutsa wrote:And even then when we can vote, we're stuck with those groomed for corruption. Plus we go through delegation... and super delegates casting 20% the votes, lobbyists, manipulation based on how legislation's implemented legally, etc. I've no trust for our government if you couldn't tell xd

“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.”

-Julius Nyerere

Jutsa wrote:And even then when we can vote, we're stuck with those groomed for corruption. Plus we go through delegation... and super delegates casting 20% the votes, lobbyists, manipulation based on how legislation's implemented legally, etc. I've no trust for our government if you couldn't tell xd

That's only democrats who have superdelegates. Ironically the rest of the parties have democratic primaries.

Areulder wrote:That's only democrats who have superdelegates. Ironically the rest of the parties have democratic primaries.

I'm not sure if you can ever call a FPTP election truly democratic... but that's a different matter entirely.

Caracasus, Jutsa, Ruinenlust, Lord Dominator, and 4 othersZongongia, Turbeaux, Canaltia, and Santa guerrera

Mohacian wrote:*screech* XX CRASH.......ouch

*stops APC by crash site*

Hey! You gotta drive more carefully on these roads! Those blind turns can be very treacherous!

*Drives away without helping*

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