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I'm good, I can't speak for everyone else though
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misread this as JFK and was like ???
Uhhh, I just wanted to say that It isn't true.
It isn't in any way true Unless the new dictionary Has updates I didn't Receive.
The point I want to make is that this statement is Etymologically incorrect.
Bisexual means that:
Bi - from latin or greek (Can't recall now) meaning in this context "Encompassing two" or in Direct translation taking-two because this Word needs a context to make sense. In the capitalist sense, meaning that It encompasses TWO genders which are contradictory (Binary genders if you wish)
I don't have to say what sexual means, we all know It.
However PANsexual is what you said, love towards ALL genders and identities.
Pan meaning from greek "Encompassing all", in this context, All Genders and identities.
And, just as a disclaimer, I'm Not trying to be biphobic or panphobic, Hell, I very much support those people that declare themselves as this, I was also one of them for a while.
That's just etymology and wanting to make some things clear.
Don't consider It offensive please.
Because It isn't.
4D Donkeys and Luganskaya
there are tons of words that don't mean the same thing as their etymological roots. bisexual is one of them. are you going to argue that october is actually the eighth month next? if you knew a single thing about bisexual history you would be aware that the term bisexual was initially coined by bigoted cishets who believed that there were only two genders, but was later reclaimed by the bisexual community, who made it very clear that bisexual people are attracted to all genders and that nonbinary people exist and are included in bisexual identity. defining bisexuality by your poor understanding of how prefixes impact language instead of by what the community itself has been saying for decades is, surprise, biphobic! you are being biphobic. congratulations.
If we were to discuss It Like that, we might as well say that jews (such as me) are muslims because "The Word jew is an exception to their etymological roots". It just feels wrong, plain and Simple.
I won't be saying that October is the 8th month of the year, but at the same time I will Argue that it's the 10th. And will tell anyone who says it's the 9th, a good argument for why NOT.
I may Not know the history of bisexuals, however I may know something about modernday bisexualism, which is WHAT I SAID. If It was this way, Pansexualism would be synonymous to Bisexualism these days because words change meanings. For example we no longer say that homosexual means the same as "Pederast" in Polish which basically means pederast (Google translated) which is very offensive here.
And what you call "Defining bisexuality by poor understanding of language prefixes" is just being true to current definitions.
Unless, again, the world Has a new dictionary of english which hasn't Been translated to Polish so I would have no way of knowing the new definitions.
Also, I'm just gonna say that I Am not being biphobic, I'm being as straight (if you know you know) as I can.
Also, regarding the history of bisexuals, Can I Ask for a source? Maybe I can Update myself.
I can't believe I'm discussing definitions...
christ, what in the hell are you talking about? pansexuality IS synonymous with bisexuality, the only reason it's still in usage is because some people have unexamined insecurity towards identifying as bisexual. words can and do change meanings, but it would be absurd to allow biphobes to redefine bisexuality against the wishes of bisexuals. you're making bizarre and irrelevant comparisons that do nothing to excuse the biphobia you're perpetuating. go read the bisexual manifesto and stop saying biphobic things.
Sorry for butting in, but can you tell me the difference between pansexuality and bisexuality, and explain why bi and pan people use such biphobic and panphobic terms?
It’s just that you said (from what I’ve gotten at least), is that the terms “bisexual” and “pansexual” are bi/panphobic. I could be wrong, but that’s what I got from it.
You asked for sources
So here they are
Bisexual Manifesto:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://bimanifesto.carrd.co/&ved=2ahUKEwjUnsrG2e37AhVSRTABHd7FBCMQFnoECBQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1NCbEN4X74xRIsqhXyP_E9
Explains the importance and meaning of the bisexual manifesto:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.bisexualorganizingproject.org/whats-up/bi-pan-and-the-insufficiency-of-prefixes&ved=2ahUKEwjUnsrG2e37AhVSRTABHd7FBCMQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3BFPXxnsles__7sjzx3V09
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oh thank fuсking god 4 u linking these. i was fighting for my life out here. personally i am significantly more critical of pansexuality omnisexuality etc. as concepts than the 2nd page you linked is lmao but ppl have Gotta read the bisexual manifesto
What Iota said is correct. The dictionary meaning of bisexual speaks of the gender binary when it comes to our sexual attraction, a definition which is inherently transphobic used and created by bigots. Bisexuality is attraction to all genders, hence it is the same as pansexuality.
I like the 2nd page because it goes into detail explaining everything about the bisexual manifesto and talks a bit about bisexual history
yeah that is very useful, but i'm still critical of the writer calling omnisexual pansexual etc. "valid" identities because they're not actually particularly rational at all, and i think the attitude of calling any and all label identification 'valid' even when it stems from harmful mindsets ultimately discourages critical thinking and is detrimental to the community as a whole.
another good link, from 2002, is useful for dispelling the idea that not having gender preference makes someone pansexual: https://againstthecurrent.org/atc099/p1050/
(to quote the relevant bit:
Although gender is not a limiting factor for bisexuals, it does sometimes play a role in bisexual attraction.
Some bisexuals that I know are attracted to women and men for gender-specific reasons. For instance, they like women because they see them as: easy to talk to, or nurturing, or soft and curvy; and they like men because they find them: straightforward, or more assertive, or hard and muscular (or some such gendered reasons).
So in this case, gender is part of the formula, but not a limiting factor.
Other bisexuals I have spoken with are also attracted to women and men differently, but they turn the previous specifications upside down. These bis say they find they like butch women and effeminate men. In a way this comes down to appreciating people to the extent that they escape genderedness.
But there are also many bis, such as myself, for whom gender has no place in the list of things that attract them to a person. For instance, I like people who are good listeners, who understand me and have interests similar to mine, and I am attracted to people with a little padding here and there, who have fair skin and dark hair (although I’m pretty flexible when it comes to looks).
“Male” or “female” are not anywhere to be found in the list of qualities I find attractive.)
But how do people own the means of production? Say you’re a farmer, Do they just put it in a communal barn or something at the end of the day? Do they take it home?
I would like and point out that I also believed bisexuality and pansexuality were two separate things because of my ignorance about bisexual history, but certainly not because of my ignorance about Greek and Latin prefixes. Referring to etymology is an easy action to understand the meaning of a word, but it can still lead to mistakes because they change in meaning over time (a "president" does more than "sitting in front").
Honestly, accusing someone of phobia because they confuse etymology and history without attacking or denigrating a minority seems to me to be excessive and baseless. People make mistakes, as 
The Antarian Commonwealth and I did, and we need to be corrected, but I have not read anything for which they should deserve the label of biphobic. If I am still wrong, please correct me.
The Antarian Commonwealth and Umbergera
The pain of finding an RP you want to participate in
From 2018
you know what that's fair i could have been less snippy about it. i'm very edge about the topic because i've had a lot of conversations with people who had it explained pretty patiently to them and still intentionally dug their feet in on the subject. that said, there was nothing wrong with my calling it biphobic, because intentional or not, it was. arguing with or "correcting" the definition of bisexuality (as antarian commonwealth did in response to my initial post explaining it) based on perceived etymological incorrectness or lack of historical knowledge is biphobic. perpetuating harmful and reductive ideas about bisexuals is biphobic. it doesn't have to be intentional to be biphobic rhetoric, nor does it make the person a bigot overall--but the line of thinking itself is still ultimately unintentionally biphobic. it's very common for people who aren't super informed on lgbt issues to say unintentionally bigoted things on the topic, and that's fine, but it's also fine to point out that it's harmful. like...it wasn't extreme, but it was still a form of biphobia.
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this region is not true communist, stalin was a fake communist, stalin was a fascist and homophobic, stalin locked up and murdered minorities, tito was a true commie and socialist, in the communism there's no state, there's no private industry, only have public industry, in the socialism there's state, there's government but no private industry.
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