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4D Donkeys wrote:

Private property is the means we utilise to create all of that. In capitalism, people who are born rich get to manage the means of production (the private property) and they create goods and services not to please our needs, but to accumulate profit (capital). That's why we call rich people ''capitalists''.

In communism (and in every system) there is personal property. The difference is, in communism private property is owned by the public, by the people who work there, and not by any birth-assigned capitalists. In a communist's view, when one or more rich individuals try to control the means of production for their own benefit, that is not democracy. That is a dictatorship of the capitalists (who we also call bourgoise). Even if you still get the chance to vote in regional elections, your country is still a dictatorship, because the rich dictate your whole life by setting up a working system, an economy, a school system etc. The verb ''dictate'' means ''have power over somebody'' in Latin, so a minority (the rich people) exert power over us (the ordinary people, who run the machines)

Some rare people say that in communist society there will also be abolition of personal property too, but I don't agree with that because I find the idea of sharing your personals like a toothbrush or clothes very silly. This ideology is called communalism, but I don't think it's serious, just as many other ideologies or movements online, it's a high-effort joke.

Concluding, if you desire democracy, an option of yours would be to lean towards communism. If for some reason you disagree and you want rich people to keep undemocratic control over the means of production and economy, you are a conservative. The world of politics is truly majestic isn't it?If there is private property in a system, it's most likely capitalism - communism can't have private property. If you theoretically imagined a world where the workers control and manage the machines, but there is still private property (like owning houses or automated stations?) that wouldn't be communism nor capitalism. People there could still invest in the housing business or smth like that so would houses eventually turn to workplaces? Idk I think you just created a new ideology with that question lmfaoI mostly agree with you but it's not very useful to talk about Proudhon or such difficult concepts to understand with a newbie leftist who are just trying to understand communism. Also - one thing I didn't quite catch in your words - do you mean that anarchists desire a world of private property? Only anarcho-capitalists want that, not leftist anarchists. As an anarcho-communist myself I'd like to add that, just because some anarchists like Proudhon or Makhno eventually turned revisionist doesn't mean all anarchists are revisionists. I think you are making a reference to the USSR collectivising even the private property of the middle class (self-sufficient families, who owned small-scale business like a bakery or vegetable shop). I may be wrong but you're probably thinking that anarchists disagree with this much collectivisation, and that they believe it's best to collectivise the property of the bourgeoise (upper class and upper middle class only) and not the lower middle class as well - I agree with that, taking away a mildly poor family's bakery wouldn't be the best decision for a new-born socialist state.

4D Donkeys wrote:

Even if you were to go farm from Austria to, say, Slovakia for example, you can do it because borders and countries don't matter in socialism, they don't exist. You see here, this is another major discussion, but the state is not beneficial for us people. Politicians are corrupt and they are paid by corporations to reject anti-trust laws in order to increase corporate profit. Then the big companies lower our wages, make us work overtime, they place policemen in more and more places to defend against a potential Worker's revolution, etc. This is why socialists (at least most of them) hate the idea of a state.

Now, communism is (according to most socialists) an advanced socialist society, where farming is automated and robots do it, and many other tiny differences. The transition from capitalism to socialism can take up to 5-100 years, but from socialism to communism it might take more than 100 years to accomplish, once all countries start becoming socialist.

4D Donkeys wrote:

Even if you were to go farm from Austria to, say, Slovakia for example, you can do it because borders and countries don't matter in socialism, they don't exist. You see here, this is another major discussion, but the state is not beneficial for us people. Politicians are corrupt and they are paid by corporations to reject anti-trust laws in order to increase corporate profit. Then the big companies lower our wages, make us work overtime, they place policemen in more and more places to defend against a potential Worker's revolution, etc. This is why socialists (at least most of them) hate the idea of a state.

Now, communism is (according to most socialists) an advanced socialist society, where farming is automated and robots do it, and many other tiny differences. The transition from capitalism to socialism can take up to 5-100 years, but from socialism to communism it might take more than 100 years to accomplish, once all countries start becoming socialist.

4D Donkeys wrote:

Even if you were to go farm from Austria to, say, Slovakia for example, you can do it because borders and countries don't matter in socialism, they don't exist. You see here, this is another major discussion, but the state is not beneficial for us people. Politicians are corrupt and they are paid by corporations to reject anti-trust laws in order to increase corporate profit. Then the big companies lower our wages, make us work overtime, they place policemen in more and more places to defend against a potential Worker's revolution, etc. This is why socialists (at least most of them) hate the idea of a state.

Now, communism is (according to most socialists) an advanced socialist society, where farming is automated and robots do it, and many other tiny differences. The transition from capitalism to socialism can take up to 5-100 years, but from socialism to communism it might take more than 100 years to accomplish, once all countries start becoming socialist.