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Novian Republics wrote:
Just wanted to point out that the two are not mutually exclusive and that the U.S. is indeed a democracy, though a representative democracy. Admittedly it may not feel like a democracy since it's the votes of the constituent states that really counts and not the votes of the individual citizens and thus the representative part is quite far removed. One shouldn't forget (not that you have) that the U.S. is essentially a union of [somewhat] sovereign states and thus the affair of electing a president is not the same as a single nation electing a president but more akin to several nations appointing a president for their union where they happen to somewhat take into account popular opinion in their individual states. Because of this, people may feel like they're not being represented, but they are, just not at the level they may want to. To further clarify, during countrywide elections, people are more treated like citizens of the individual states than citizens of a single unitary nation. So any comparison that compares the U.S. electoral systems as if it was a singular nation (which it's not) to the electoral systems of any unitary nation that is a representative democracy becomes kind of moot. Thus, for the U.S. to truly be a nation of equals, it may need to change so it prioritises the rights of citizens as if they were citizens of a single nation, instead of prioritising state/union rights as it more or less does now (in elections at least).

That’s my problem. It’s really the state who votes via electors, not the voters themselves. Sure, the electors usually vote according to the wishes of the people (except for faithless electors), but due to them not being exact proportions (which would be impossible without fractions), they must be rounded, cutting out tons of votes, and also making rural votes worth more than urban votes. To me, it should be irrelevant if California gets more votes than Wyoming, what should matter is that if 10% of people vote for a party, then exactly 10% if the HR goes to them, even if those 10% lose every single district-wide election for an HR seat.

Kinectia wrote:The Wikipedia dilemma is my favorite suggestion.

Some among us are experienced researchers and writers with old-school training and proper grammar. Some of us are still catering to the authorities who value regurgitation of lectures and assigned texts over thoughtful responses, and call that education. All of us are living in this time of surreality and dismal leadership and trying to make some sense of it.

When we take the time to research and write, we all turn to the internet and are immediately inundated with crap. Wikipedia always comes up, but rarely satisfies. The best sources all seem to be hidden from us, either through obscurity or paywalls.

The bar has never been lower for contributing to meaningful discussions, but by the time we dig up credible verification the subject has been overrun by fake news, memes, and other mob opinion factories. How can we expect to create real democracy when reliable sources are being drowned out by static?

I have always actually supported the existence of Wikipedia, within reason. As much as there is the chance that the info is false, there is that chance with practically everything. Almost any website you read, and even some books, can have info that is wrong. The thing with Wikipedia is that it cites its information, making it a good source for reference sources, and also helping you to figure out what might be wrong.

In addition, it is the only free, mainstream, multi-lingual (and I mean like hyper-multi-lingual), online encyclopedia with that many pages, enabling almost anyone to use it.

In short, I believe that like anything else, you must use your own judgement to figure out if it is right, but Wikipedia’s vault of information and the fact that anyone can access it outweighs that liability

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