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Reformed bean yourekesstoider

The capitalist enterprise wrote:LOL, I will never understand the mind of a Trump supporter. Trump is a con man and a fool. He doesn't care about any of you.

. Lets see he is great at branding, maximized his profit, and used every financial loophole legally allowed. So in otherwords the same as every politician since Joe's been in politics. We already seen clean politicians like romney, yang, rand paul, or martin o'Malley not get elected. But one thing that makes him better than any politician he achieves most of what he campaigned on and didn't flip flop on most of those promises. Most politicians dont do much anything for anyone. Clinton made it so i couldnt get a job, Bush made it so i couldn't afford a house, Obama got me some food stamps and fined me for not purchasing crap insurance, and Trump made the economy expand so i could get a decent job and reduced my taxes by 5%. So far he has done better than the last three presidents in my eyes.

Maradian

I have a question for Americans. If you get health insurance do you still have to pay a hospital bill or no?

Reformed bean yourekesstoider

Deldacia wrote:I have a question for Americans. If you get health insurance do you still have to pay a hospital bill or no?

Yes. During Obamacare if you didnt have insurance you payed a 1% fine to IRS and a like $30 fine everytime you went to doctor. Once required to conver pre existing conditions out of pocket bills went up and copays to see doctors increased. After repeal pre existing mandate is being enforced but only by executive order the rest of that bs was repealed

Maradian

The capitalist enterprise

Yeah, I'm not going to be getting into a debate with those of you who support Trump. Nothing I say will change your mind. Also, nothing you guys say will change my mind about him. I don't like Trump and that's that. You guys don't have to like Biden.

Like I said earlier, I'm voting for Biden and I can't wait for Trump to be out of office. He's one of the WORST presidents ever.

Midlands, Finkton, Julunaphra, and Greens haven

i read a statement that said "trump is a con man" this is puzzling to me.

because for what purpose he'd want to be a con man?

he already has 4 billion dollars, a boeing 757 airplane, and if he wanted to retire, he absolutely could.

New americorporation

New nation, who this?

I took a few days off to focus on schoolwork & found that I was logged out when I returned. I opted to make a new nation since I didn’t like the direction my first one was taking on some issues.

Maradian wrote:Can you please make a list of 25 bad things Donald Trump is done and I don’t mean petty like calling Joe Biden Sleepy Joe.

1. Refused to fight the pandemic and instead decided to just let hundreds of thousands of Americans die.

2. Stole the 2016 election with the help of Russia.

3. Tried to steal the 2020 election (and may still do so).

4. Acted as an agent of enemy government (Russia) his entire presidency.

5. Deliberately divided the Americans.

6. Deliberately divided the West.

7. Abused power.

8. Solicited and received bribes.

9. Undermined the rule of law at every opportunity.

10. Perjured himself.

11. Refused to release his taxes and fought subpoenas for them.

12. Continued to not only run his businesses, but directed millions of taxpayers' dollars toward them.

13. Obstructed justice.

14. Appointed a lot of incompetent people to important positions.

15. Appointed a lot of corrupt people to important positions.

16. Appointed evil men like Ben Carson to important positions.

17. Refused to fill many important positions.

18. Fired a lot of very competent people (like Peter Strzok) from important positions.

19. Promoted his own personality cult.

20. Promoted dangerous conspiracy theories.

21. Encouraged violence.

22. Used violence against peaceful protesters.

23. Completely rejected congressional oversight.

24. Withdrew from a lot of useful treaties (sometimes, e.g. with TPP, not even understanding that his action would hurt his own goals).

25. Used the White House as a partisan prop in violation of the Hatch Act.

I could continue, and mind you, I did not list things like tax cuts and deregulation since their badness is at least debatable in good faith.

Finkton

Reformed bean yourekesstoider wrote:I voted for trump cause i believe in rule of law. I believe that the economy is benefited by limited use of protectionism, low corporate taxes, and decreased capital gains. I believe the government has duty to protect its people from enemies foreign and domestic. That i believe is best served by holding countries accountable for commitments made, having a strong military presence, and not using our military as nation builders. I will be voting for him again for all the above reasons, because of his successful trade deals, pulling troops out of middle east, defeating ISIS, doubling the standard deduction, decreasing my taxes by 5%, creation of space force, and establishing opportunities zones which help minority community investment. The fact he is a disruptor, rough around the edges, and part of a fake scandal because of the previous two reasons means nothing to me.

Sorry, but I don't believe that you believe in the rule of law. Also, Trump scandals (or rather crimes) are anything but fake. And he refuses to protect us - either from the virus or from our existential enemy Russia (don't forget that his own previous Director of National Intelligence suspected Trump of being a Russian agent).

Maradian wrote:Don’t forget some of the lowest unemployment rates (before COVID).

What relevance does it have?! Herbert Hoover had low unemployment rate before the Crash. So?! And you could say that Carter had a successful presidency - before inflation got out of control, the Iranians seized the embassy, the Soviets deployed SS-20s and invaded Afghanistan... Or just imagine Hitler telling the Germans in Berlin surrounded by the Soviets, "Don't forget how we captured Paris with very low casualties.:

The capitalist enterprise wrote:LOL, I will never understand the mind of a Trump supporter. Trump is a con man and a fool. He doesn't care about any of you. Also, "Sleepy Joe" is both a lame and untrue nickname. Joe Biden is infinitely smarter and in better health condition than Trump.

He also calls his supporters "these disgusting people" (that he finally did not have to shake the hands of thanks to Covid).

The capitalist enterprise

New Portuguese Empire wrote:Most of the Western world watches us as if we're they're favorite soap opera now, it's humiliating.

I'll never forgive him - or his supporters! - for that. You know, I was very proud to become an American citizen in 1998 and then go around the world and show my US passport. Well, now I can't even go anywhere - except Albania and a few other places that still let the Americans in. Nowadays you can go to more places with a North Korean passport!

Finkton

New Portuguese Empire wrote:I just wish Jo Jorgenson had a chance of getting more than 3% of the ballot..

I once met her (or rather was introduced to her) soon after her VP run in 1996. As long as she draws votes from Trump much more than from Biden, I want her to get as many as possible. But I don't think she'll get even 3%. And that's actually a good thing. The best outcome for the country is a decisive win by Biden with significantly over 50% of the popular vote. Not only will it help the healing (vs. Biden still winning but with only 49% and the subsequent snickering that most of Americans did not vote for him), but also help us start repairing our image abroad.

Reformed bean yourekesstoider wrote:. Lets see he is great at branding, maximized his profit, and used every financial loophole legally allowed. So in otherwords the same as every politician since Joe's been in politics. We already seen clean politicians like romney, yang, rand paul, or martin o'Malley not get elected. But one thing that makes him better than any politician he achieves most of what he campaigned on and didn't flip flop on most of those promises. Most politicians dont do much anything for anyone. Clinton made it so i couldnt get a job, Bush made it so i couldn't afford a house, Obama got me some food stamps and fined me for not purchasing crap insurance, and Trump made the economy expand so i could get a decent job and reduced my taxes by 5%. So far he has done better than the last three presidents in my eyes.

Actually there's a criminal investigation in Manhattan based on a very strong suspicion that Trump used financial loopholes not legally allowed.

The capitalist enterprise wrote:Yeah, I'm not going to be getting into a debate with those of you who support Trump. Nothing I say will change your mind. Also, nothing you guys say will change my mind about him. I don't like Trump and that's that. You guys don't have to like Biden.

Like I said earlier, I'm voting for Biden and I can't wait for Trump to be out of office. He's one of the WORST presidents ever.

I used to think that Buchanan was the worst because the country literally fell apart during his presidency, and then over 600,000 Americans died. But now it looks like Trump's actions (or inaction) will top that death toll. So Trump is the worst president ever.

The capitalist enterprise

Arcanagara wrote:i read a statement that said "trump is a con man" this is puzzling to me.

because for what purpose he'd want to be a con man?

he already has 4 billion dollars, a boeing 757 airplane, and if he wanted to retire, he absolutely could.

He does not have 4 billion dollars. In fact, making ridiculous claims about the size of his wealth (he managed to get onto the Forbes 400 when the cutoff was $200 million even though he actually had only $5 million at the time) has always been part of his con.

You see, he inherited vast wealth, but squandered a lot of it (he would have been much richer now if he had passively invested his wealth into index funds - like S&P 500) because he's both incompetent and lazy. He would have lost even more without being a con man. Back in the last century he conned many US banks, and after 2000 or so they all refused to deal with him. That's why he's now dealing with Deutsche Bank (which apparently keeps lending him money at Putin's request - next year we'll probably learn a lot more about that). He also conned a lot of contractors, investors, customers etc.

I'm not sure he actually can retire. He owes hundreds of billions. And this time his personal assets seem to be the collateral, not just particular businesses. The value of his brand is cratering (one after another Canadian hotels take his name off). He almost certainly underpaid his taxes a lot, and at the very least he'll have to pay (if not go to prison). Then there are lots of private lawsuits against him. I won't be surprised if he'll be broke in a few years.

Deldacia wrote:I have a question for Americans. If you get health insurance do you still have to pay a hospital bill or no?

Yes. Very briefly, there are two kinds of payments: deductibles and copays. This may easily get confusing. E.g. your plan may say that even if you haven't met the deductible for the year yet, an emergency room visit will cost you $150 copay and nothing else, which may further be waived if you are actually hospitalized (rather than sent back home after a few hours) as a result of your visit (but then deductibles and copays for the hospital stay will kick in).

New americorporation

“Tantrum-throwing toddlers are regularly imprisoned on assault charges.”

No comment.

Dilsoza

Midlands wrote:Yes. Very briefly, there are two kinds of payments: deductibles and copays. This may easily get confusing. E.g. your plan may say that even if you haven't met the deductible for the year yet, an emergency room visit will cost you $150 copay and nothing else, which may further be waived if you are actually hospitalized (rather than sent back home after a few hours) as a result of your visit (but then deductibles and copays for the hospital stay will kick in).

Thank you for answering my question and same to the other person that answered it’s just that US healthcare confuses me as it’s much different in the UK.

Deldacia wrote:Thank you for answering my question and same to the other person that answered it’s just that US healthcare confuses me as it’s much different in the UK.

I know. I work in Health Economics and Outcomes Research, and I have actually done some epidemiological modeling for the UK.

Arcanagara and Deldacia

Midlands wrote:He does not have 4 billion dollars. In fact, making ridiculous claims about the size of his wealth (he managed to get onto the Forbes 400 when the cutoff was $200 million even though he actually had only $5 million at the time) has always been part of his con.

You see, he inherited vast wealth, but squandered a lot of it (he would have been much richer now if he had passively invested his wealth into index funds - like S&P 500) because he's both incompetent and lazy. He would have lost even more without being a con man. Back in the last century he conned many US banks, and after 2000 or so they all refused to deal with him. That's why he's now dealing with Deutsche Bank (which apparently keeps lending him money at Putin's request - next year we'll probably learn a lot more about that). He also conned a lot of contractors, investors, customers etc.

I'm not sure he actually can retire. He owes hundreds of billions. And this time his personal assets seem to be the collateral, not just particular businesses. The value of his brand is cratering (one after another Canadian hotels take his name off). He almost certainly underpaid his taxes a lot, and at the very least he'll have to pay (if not go to prison). Then there are lots of private lawsuits against him. I won't be surprised if he'll be broke in a few years.

yeah, i just researched that. orange man bad.

New americorporation

Reformed bean yourekesstoider

Midlands wrote:I used to think that Buchanan was the worst because the country literally fell apart during his presidency, and then over 600,000 Americans died. But now it looks like Trump's actions (or inaction) will top that death toll. So Trump is the worst president ever.

he actually instituted travel ban when dems said he was fear mongering actuall 199k not 600k most that is from two sources the states that forced nursing homes to take sick people and back when they were paying hospitals to assign cause of death to Coronavirus. Now that the payment are gone magically the death rate has dropped below the seasonal flu

Reformed bean yourekesstoider wrote:he actually instituted travel ban when dems said he was fear mongering actuall 199k not 600k most that is from two sources the states that forced nursing homes to take sick people and back when they were paying hospitals to assign cause of death to Coronavirus. Now that the payment are gone magically the death rate has dropped below the seasonal flu

He did not institute a travel ban. He instituted some inadequate travel restrictions. American citizens and permanent residents were allowed to come in straight from China without any tests or quarantines. And there were no restrictions whatsoever on travel from Europe - from which most US cases actually came. All that merely slowed down the spread here. Trump bought some time, but then he completely squandered it by doing nothing.

The actual death toll is without any doubt over 200K, since there's serious undercounting. The death rate has not dropped below flu. Most importantly, we are just in the beginning of the pandemic. The worst is still ahead. There are projections of about 400K deaths by the end of the year, and then hundreds of thousands will die next year. Nobody knows how many will die in subsequent years, because we don't yet know all the long-term consequences of the infection. We have no clue about the five-year survival rate for those who get infected with this virus and we have no clue about what percentage of the infected will eventually die prematurely (at this point any number between 5% and 100% sounds plausible). Also, while there are reports of this virus causing infertility, we don't yet know how widespread the problem is and what are the long-term implication.

I don’t know if it’s the same in America but in the UK the government has been bumping the coronavirus figures up so far they’ve found out that 10% of all our coronavirus deaths are died with corona. That’s just so far that they’ve found out so I personally think they are gonna find more that have died with it not of it. One of my mums friends died of cancer but had coronavirus but her death went down as a coronavirus death which really rilled me up.

Malotihuacan, Reformed bean yourekesstoider, and New americorporation

Deldacia wrote:I don’t know if it’s the same in America but in the UK the government has been bumping the coronavirus figures up so far they’ve found out that 10% of all our coronavirus deaths are died with corona. That’s just so far that they’ve found out so I personally think they are gonna find more that have died with it not of it. One of my mums friends died of cancer but had coronavirus but her death went down as a coronavirus death which really rilled me up.

it has been happening here

Deldacia, Maradian, and Reformed bean yourekesstoider

hey, its ok to have a banner depicting a video game scene of an enemy getting impaled, right?

Doom soul

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