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I would personally prefer the cabinet positions to be more adhoc to follow more closely the growth of the region.
Nothing to disagree on for roleplay.
For flag, I will likely make my own proposal as well, that should probably be voted on afterwards however to give everyone an opportunity to participate.
Nevertheless, I should probably go through my prefered structure which is fairly similar to both of yours but with some minute differences.
I would prefer an unelected upper body, the Senate, headed by the monarch/founder that would have the goal of primarily enacting policies in an intelligent manner and ensuring policies which are dangerous to the region are not enacted. I would prefer Senators to be granted generally broad executive powers however serve primarily an administrative role rather than a political role. What I mean by this is they should primarily serve in aiding the party (if they exist) in power's ability to enact their policy. Serving as a sort of bureaucracy. For example, the Senator in charge of foreign affairs would provide the expertise necessary for the elected foreign minister to go forward on their plans.
Ideally the senate should remain small for its good functioning, and should as Almerdonia mentioned have an officer responsible for managing elections. Short-lived executive decrees should be allowed when necessary, and it should also serve as a judicial body. This role is important as I find a lot of regions suffer from arguments due to a government's own unwillingness to break free from democratic practices, we need an executive detached from regional politics that is able to ban someone without qualms if it is in the best interest of the region.
Besides, this, I believe personally that a lower house consisting of all citizens should exist. This lower house should be called something like the National Assembly. The alternative to such a lower house I would also be in support of is some kind of parliament with a defined number of seats and an election every couple of months, which would be under the proportional system with seats granted to a party. With the party subsequently appointing MPs from among their granted seats. However, if they do not have enough MPs they can simply give some of their MPs multiple votes. The exact size of the parliament would be decided by the Senators which would allow for quick changes as necessary. I believe this latter system might be the most effective as it will grant as many people interested in regional politics the opportunity to influence it, well allowing for quicker decisions and ensuring those who are indifferent are not bothered, plus it will likely prevent a winner take all situation and thus minimize disputes as even parties which lose an election will likely still be able to hold influence.
This was meant to be a short post, I swear.
How are we going to know what Government type we are using in that new region? We've had 3 different suggestions but we need 1 Government type.
I was just thinking that, I mean if we look at the core suggestions they all include an unelected upper council so I think we can agree on that. The main debate is the structure of the elected government.
and the proposals are all to some degree similar I would argue.
I guess the first step is what the main points of contention are,
foreign affairs
and the legislative branch
I'd say no?
Unelected
Exactly.
I agree. We need to sort the Lower Council first.
Yes we do, we are in agreement that the lower council should not take effect until a while in. It is the structure of the council which is up for debate, correct me if im wrong but me and frank seem to agree that a parliament consisting of parties should be the system whereas you want a council consisting of the prime minister and who he appoints right?
for the WA delegate I'm personally fine with whatever, though they shouldn't be executive just to prevent raids.
Yea.
I'll be fine with either one but I'd prefer a council consisting of the prime minister and his cabinet. That council being elected every 3 months.
I think the parliament would allow for that effectively, as they'd appoint a cabinet from among parliament. I just think it will allow other voices at the same time. Perhaps a fair suggestion would be for this parliament to start with one single seat (effectively making it your system) until sufficient growth allows for it to consist of more?
Alright, I'm fine with that.
So it seems like the only issue of disagreement would be foreign affairs? My suggestion would be perhaps it could be a joint responsibility? It would allow for the public to have a say well keeping the experience and connections allowed by the unelected branch
Well, I guess we can work with that then.
Adaptation to my proposal:
An Unelected Branch (the Senate) consisting of Senators (Founder, WA Delegate, Consul -manages elections- and President)
An elected branch (Parliament) consisting of MP's which have political parties who themselves appoint the cabinet.
No executive WA Delegate to prevent raids
Cabinet Positions will be adjusted as time goes on and the region grows etc.
That's pretty much our proposals in one.
I agree completely with the structure, the titles im not sure about yet but those arent too important anyways.
I think Frank should agree with this, so aslong as tgfs agrees we can move onto who should hold said offices.
State of Germany, what do you think then?
In all honesty, its perfect.
I definitely agree on what Spaceania mentioned earlier about a stronger executive body which is not elected in the face of an elected body, as Ive seen too many times that elected regional governments deadlock over important regional issues.
I also dont believe the WA Delegate should have executive power for two reasons: 1) if an ill-willed individual gets elected he might completely screw the region over and 2) if the founder and WA-Delegate get into a disagreement this might also lead to problems since both have executive powers and therefore can alter the entire regional structure. In addition, if the founder ceases to exist the WA-Delegate gets executive powers automatically.
I literally have nothing to add to your proposals, theyre perfect as is. Ill look to see if I can make it into law so that everything (like for example temporary suspencion of the powers of the elected branch) gets judicial legitimacy*.
*And for me on a personal note to practice my legislative skills since Im currently studying Dutch law.
Spaceania and Almerdonia
Is everyone chill with the name Nasonia as our new region name or do you have any suggestions of your own?
Spaceania and Almerdonia
Now we can begin onto who will hold these offices to start off with.
Now, with these permanent ranks, I'm guessing it should be the main people from each region (Spaceania and another few from ULN and me, State of Germany, Boopkinville and Dogetopian Yevika from Nasunia - the main four with the highest positions).
We should also make an interim Government for the first month or the first couple of weeks so that will be sworn in, without elections. After which, elections will determine the future Governments.
There's been no objections to it so I'm guessing that's the name we're going with.
State of Germany, Spaceania, and Avarune
I have an objection on the name
Considering this new region will be a Union of ULNers and Nasonians, I suggest we should go with a "Union of [insert name]" or "[insert name] Union"
Just a suggestion, nothing too important.
I say we found it as Nasonia so it's simple and easier to find but we call it the Nasonian Union or something like that in the WFE and the RMB.
Sounds good.
Im currently busy writing a constitution for the new region. It is based off the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany from 1949 with some additions and changes. It also takes into account the temporary situation where there is no active elected part.
Spaceania and Almerdonia
I got my own proposals.
Mainly or solely for RP.
RP Moderators will be permanently selected by RP Admins, founders will elect the also permanent Admins to run RP, position Mods, and approve or pass RP law.
RP and Government do not mix or control each other, unless a trial must intervene or appeal in case of an Rp ban, except the Perma ban.
I am basing this off IOC RP model, the best model.
I say we should at best outright copy it (with permission) or at least be based off it.
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