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Yahlia wrote:

As a Christian, this is uber cringe

By what means?

Folkerland wrote:

To see any of Germany's Kaisers as cruel isn't a very realistic understanding of Germany's Imperial period. This isn't a 'dis' at all, since most people see Imperial Germany through the lenses of propaganda.

The state has the duty to maintain and protect Christianity both from external as well as internal threats. This is just as the state has its right to protect its nation's culture from destruction.

I don't? If you think that I was trying to "dis" the German Empire you'd be wrong. I was merely pointing out both nations for their lack of civil rights and liberties for their citizens, and namely Wilhelm II, who started WW1 and led various war crimes. The allies did too don't get me wrong, but I feel Germany's were far far worse.

Let me start here, it does NOT have the duty to do that. It has the duty to care and provide for its peoples, and should protect THEM, not a religion, but THEM and THEIR freedoms of speech, religion and press. As for the second one, I agree, but that is not what you originally said. What you said was to said was to make people in the nation become more native, and become christian, but I can't find the post to confirm this. This is what I remember, so I will look

Renway wrote:

Why is Pepsi trying to promote the uefa in the us? Kind of strange.

Because they're official sponsors worldwide

Berlin and Hanover wrote:

I don't? If you think that I was trying to "dis" the German Empire you'd be wrong. I was merely pointing out both nations for their lack of civil rights and liberties for their citizens, and namely Wilhelm II, who started WW1 and led various war crimes. The allies did too don't get me wrong, but I feel Germany's were far far worse.

Let me start here, it does NOT have the duty to do that. It has the duty to care and provide for its peoples, and should protect THEM, not a religion, but THEM and THEIR freedoms of speech, religion and press. As for the second one, I agree, but that is not what you originally said. What you said was to said was to make people in the nation become more native, and become christian, but I can't find the post to confirm this. This is what I remember, so I will look

On your first point, sorry for being unclear -- I was referring to myself in saying that I wasn't trying to 'dis' you or anything.

Second point, the Kaiser didn't want war and he didn't lead the war much at all. He was against unrestricted submarine warfare and was for the most part side-lined by the general staff. This is why he was known as the "shadow Kaiser" during the war since he essentially had zero say in the matter about what the military used in its tactics and weaponry.

Third point, the state protects and provides for people in part by protecting Christianity in society.

Yahlia wrote:

If you don't support a secular state, that's hella cringe

It's the other way around, actually. The state protecting its people and doing what is in their ultimate best interests (which includes the promotion and maintaining of Christianity) is better than a state which remains idle while its citizenry erodes itself. It can be a tough pill to swallow since the liberal worldview is prominent today; however, once you get to the point where you don't set up artificial barriers such as the state needing to be secular, we'll see more eye to eye.

Renway wrote:

last time we mixed religion and politics people where being burned at the stake

I'll note that a vast majority of those who do not believe in secular statehood do not also endorse cruel punishments such as burning people on stakes. I hope that this wasn't a serious argument and was merely a strawman.

Berlin and Hanover wrote:

First: Apology accepted, sorry for the misunderstanding
Second: Why did he make Austria-Hungary make demands to Serbia then, even though he knew that Serbia wouldn't fulfill them?
Third: I won't even bother with this point because it is outrageous in its own right, and most people will know what I mean without me typing it here

On your second rebuttal, I would point to a majority of the biographers of Kaiser Wilhelm II. Most conclude that in spite of his love of the German military, he wasn't someone who wanted war at all.

On your third rebuttal, I would enjoy a thorough discussion of this topic. If you would be willing to join me in such a discussion, I'll try to lay my thoughts out as clearly as I can. :)

Berlin and Hanover wrote:

That'd be alright, also, can we do telegram because this is really exausting in this chat, probably for everyone else too

I agree, I don't like the dogpiling. It hinders my ability to respond properly.

Yahlia wrote:

Discord didn't notify me :(
Bruh, Jesus said to treat your neighbour as yourself. Would you like it if the government forced Islam or Hinduism on you? Probably not, so we have no right to do the same with Christianity. Get out of here with your Christian-supremacy, it's disgusting and is not doing us good Christians any favours

As a Christian, I'm surprised that you think it's essentially the same as Islam or Hinduism. After all, it's only through Jesus that we receive God's grace and are saved from the punishment we bring upon ourselves. :(

Regnum Italiae wrote:

And that's how two-hundred years of war regarding what kind of Christianity is the best and why all the other sucks start
I thought this was all over with Voltaire and Hume but it looks like I'm wrong lmao

Well, I suppose the truth is quite important.

Yahlia wrote:

You're deliberately avoiding my point. Both those other religions are different to Christianity, but governments forcing religion onto people is never right

Remind me to address this when I finish talking with Berlin and Hanover in our telegrams. I'll address this point within it and I'll probably copy and paste (with love, care, and adjustment) into a reply. Also, I'm multitasking like 3-4 things right now, so do be patient. I hope to continue this conversation soon :D

Quid est veritas?

Nardin wrote:

Quid est veritas?

Speaking of which, let's talk about more important things, like the contents of a particular new poll owo

Nardin wrote:

Speaking of which, let's talk about more important things, like the contents of a particular new poll owo

plain soft bread is the way.