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United acadia wrote:

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The surface of the encampment, consisting of a few aboveground structures, is obliterated by the bombs and a few casualties are sustained. Given that the rebels were already expecting air attacks to be their chief problem however, much of the base is located underground in a network of tunnels that were formerly a inter-city subway system (but the parts underneath the encampment have been sealed off from the rest of the system).The Acadian high command tells TBE's military command that any attempt at entering the city now, while some of the rebel outposts are still standing and the rebels' underground network (which if you remember OOC was the old subway network in the city that has been turned into a transport and underground base network by the rebel forces) is untouched will be suicide as the rebels could appear from within these underground networks and ambush passing troops. The rebel forces could still mount a considerable aboveground defense too given that there is plenty of rubble to provide cover and buildings which could be sheltering rebel soldiers which both the Acadian and TBE high command just will not have any intelligence on.

Before letting TBE bring in more VTOLs, multirole jets and bombers, the Acadian high command wants to know how many TBE planes have been shot down. (Given the engagements with the SAM installations and rebel air force, OOC it will likely be in the tens, but I'll leave it up to you to decide)

The 2nd Wing return back to Chaleroi, at best the bombing was able to delay Yaist intervention against civilian and military assets.
Although for further damage a ground incursion would be necessary, The 3rd Division is too busy with clearing out criminals and hunting lone bandits in Sint-Jans-Molbeek.
As such Honourbound commanders want a battalion from the 3rd Division to completely clear the encampment and eliminate a reoccurring threat once and for all.
Although more intel will be needed for this to be achieved in fruition.

United acadia wrote:

Now that's quite realistic, around the number of planes I would also estimate would be shot down in such an engagement. Due to limitations in the hangar capacity of the Charleroi airbase, we can only let your nation have up to 50 planes (bombers/jets/VTOL craft, excluding helicopters) in total in our nation.

Any attack on the encampment will be authorized, although Acadian troops will not be committed to it. Honourbound forces will have to commit to the attack by themselves, with Acadia providing some degree of logistical and air support.

Since you mention plane numbers
-25 Bombers
-15 VTOL's
-10 Multirole Jets
Is that ok?

Wubdich wrote:

Y'know, when you can start the others that easily, it defeats the purpose of having VTOLs.

True, should we make the waiting time for re-enforcements coming longer next time.

Turkey bird empire wrote:

True, should we make the waiting time longer next time.

I'm speaking of the greater image.
What the heck do you need VTOLs for when their main purpose is supposed to take off from places and carriers that are too small for conventional place use?

Wubdich wrote:

Y'know, when you can start the others that easily, it defeats the purpose of having VTOLs.

I have to agree with Wubdich here --- I think it's best you replace the VTOLs with things like more jets.

And on another note, Turkey bird empire; since there is only so much damage 25 bombers can realistically do in one bombing run (given limitations brought about by fuel and payload capacity), you're going to need to carry out the bombing runs continuously for a period of time, perhaps targeting one or two aboveground rebel outposts each time. Currently, in the previous run, you managed to destroy much of the rebel air power within the city by almost completely wiping out their air force, and you bombed the only airport in the city (and disabled all the SAM installations there), but apart from maybe destroying the SAM installations in one or two other outposts in the city realistically not much else happened, and many aboveground outposts are still standing as well. In real life, it also takes a lot of time and resources to bomb a well-defended city.

Wubdich wrote:

... my question stands, because you either have no conventional planes to use or you don't have a laughable amount of VTOLs

Then what would you do, I simply listened to the Feedback I got after asking how I should do my Military Factbook when I still hadn't done it.

Wubdich wrote:

A - have no VTOLs at all since you seem to be able to start conventional planes just fine, which would make VTOLs nothing more but a waste
B - only have VTOLs with that mountainous terrain, but cut all other planes, meaning no bombers

Alright, I'll cut the VTOL's

United acadia wrote:

You know that with your nation's tech advancement, they could probably carve a lot of airports into mountainsides right?

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You do know how Nepal's airports look like, right?

Wubdich wrote:

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You do know how Nepal's airports look like, right?

They just don't look too suitable for heavy bombers

Wubdich wrote:

They are regarded as the most dangerous airports / airfields in the world, that only pilots with multiple years of experience are allowed to land in, since 1 mistake causes you to ram into a mountain.

Alright, I replaced the VTOL's with regular Fighter planes TF-X like model. Though the Photo doesn't seem to show.

Turkey bird empire wrote:

Alright, I replaced the VTOL's with regular Fighter planes TF-X like model.

United acadia wrote:

I have to agree with Wubdich here --- I think it's best you replace the VTOLs with things like more jets.

And on another note, Turkey bird empire; since there is only so much damage 25 bombers can realistically do in one bombing run (given limitations brought about by fuel and payload capacity), you're going to need to carry out the bombing runs continuously for a period of time, perhaps targeting one or two aboveground rebel outposts each time. Currently, in the previous run, you managed to destroy much of the rebel air power within the city by almost completely wiping out their air force, and you bombed the only airport in the city (and disabled all the SAM installations there), but apart from maybe destroying the SAM installations in one or two other outposts in the city realistically not much else happened, and many aboveground outposts are still standing as well. In real life, it also takes a lot of time and resources to bomb a well-defended city.

There are an approximated 30-40 aboveground rebel outposts within the city by the way. It's suspected at least 2/3 of them have the SAM installations. So expect the number of destroyed planes to increase unless the TBE command finds a better strategy for bombing these outposts.

Turkey bird empire wrote:

Also, I do know that I can't just destroy everything. Wich is why you are the one deciding the losses. I ask again if the plane numbers where alright so we can continue this RP.

OOC, the losses in equipment and aid being given to us will probably result in huge costs, not sure if you'd want to let that affect your government's decisions. Wars are extremely expensive endeavors to get involved in.