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Aye (7) Ashlawn Antenion Cerdenia Dendrobium Dykataar Hulldom The Helvetic Imperium
Nay (0)
Abstain (2) Cydoni World Trade

The motion to reduce the House by 4 seats, to a total of 11, has passed.

Senators, we have begun voting on the motion introduced by Antenion to reduce the Senate by 2 seats, to a total of 7.

Aye

Why is there no debate on this one? Why do we all want to rush this through?

Nay

I'm abstaining, precisely because of the following reason: we need a debate period on this motion even if no one answers. If there was a pressing "get this through for a referendum" reason, I'd get it, but otherwise, no.

Point of Order Mr Chairman

Why have you opted to completely disregard debate and rush this motion through with no proper explanation? This is a big deal.

Ashlawn

Historically, reductions and expansions of either Chamber of Congress have always been paired with a bill or amendment legalising the change they bring. Those bills include all the necessities to define the debate, voting and referendum procedures- which are each essential to our democracy. While not entirely illegal, as from my brief research I did not find any indication this was necessary for the process, proposals of and by such bills is the moral and practical norm exactly to ensure important changes like this aren't introduced by simple motions, let alone simple motions without a debate!. If this reduction had been brought onto the Senate floor by the right and just way I may have voted aye, but since that is not the case, I vote NAY.

Senators, the motion has been sent to the debate stage by the order of the Chair.

Reduce the Senate by 2 seats, to a total of 7.

I honestly don't know what to say at this point. Parliamentary procedure, now am I not sure about our own procedure, dictates two things: something like this is blatantly dilatory unless the motion is changed and that the same motion cannot be debated twice in the same session. I'm in favor of reducing the Senate, but I will not do so in complete abandonment of any parliamentary procedure.

Cerdenia wrote:Point of Order Mr Chairman

Why have you opted to completely disregard debate and rush this motion through with no proper explanation? This is a big deal.

Ashlawn

Would the Chairman be interested in responding to the point of order as is required by law?

Cerdenia wrote:Point of Order Mr Chairman

Why have you opted to completely disregard debate and rush this motion through with no proper explanation? This is a big deal.

Ashlawn

The upcoming deadline required for a referendum to be held and for the House to vote on it and also the fact that I had been informed that Snowflame would be nominated as as Justice, which I believed would lead to the House not being able to do anything for the rest of the term.

Want to use of this debate stage to talk a bit about why I think another reduction before the Generals is an awful idea.

Recently Thaecia has gone through multiple by-elections and referenda, we had a by-election a few days ago, there was another one not long before which is the one I myself got elected, and of course some time before that there were also the Midterms back at the end of the year. Right now Thaecia is undergoing what I would like to call as "vote exhaustion", there are simply too many votes going on, and having another one right before the General Elections will just lower turnout and participation in the one vote that actually matters for the near future.

It is my opinion that our General Elections will be a lot worse if we continue holding more public votes right before it, and that's why I'm in opposition to this motion, while not necessarily opposed to the idea of another reduction being considered in the near future.

In my previous post here I already advocated some of my thoughts on the matter at hand. Reducing the Senate might not be a bad idea, however, as has been mentioned, rushing it as is being done at this moment most deffinitely is. Perhaps Cerdenia is right and squeezing another referendum right before the genelecs causes people to simply not vote or not even be interested in voting. Perhaps scheduling the referendum at the same time as the genelecs could be a solution, but that in turn may indirectly influence the way people choose to vote; and that is all not even keeping in mind this is all up to the EC to decide. The conclusion I make here is that this motion is not planned ideally.
So all of that leaves the question: What to do? I do believe, correct me if this assumption is wrong, a general majority of people here agree the Senate could do with a reduction, whether now or later. Most of us also agree, I again presume, that rushing something like this, considering my reasoning above, is a bad idea. That is why I suggest this proposal is tabled in the form of a formal bill la L.R. 043 to be dealt with first thing next term, so all the right procedures are ensured, both voting and debating will happen, and so this topic both has certainty to be handled correctly and timely.

Senators, we have begun voting on the motion introduced by Antenion to reduce the Senate by 2 seats, to a total of 7.

Aye

Abstain. The chair has made such an abject bungle of procedure on this that I cannot in good conscience vote for it-even though I am of the opinion that this ought to pass.

Aye

Edit: changing my vote to nay, It does feel like we are bending the rules a bit too much with this motion.

Abstain

Results:
Aye (2) Ashlawn World Trade
Nay (3) Antenion Cerdenia Dendrobium
Abstain (4) Cydoni Dykataar Hulldom The Helvetic Imperium

The motion has failed

Senators, we have begun the confirmation hearing of Snowflame for Associate Justice.

I would like to start by saying good morning and good afternoon to you all. I would like to thank Prime Minister Bigtopia for nominating me to the High Court and I would like to thank Chairman Ashlawn for holding my hearing.

Just to tackle a concern right now that I know will probably be asked. I will be leaving TFP and leaving it in the hands of Zon Island. I will not be involved with the party so I hope this eases some concerns.

Aside from that, I am looking forward to answering any questions that you all may have :)

Congratulations Snowflame on your nomination. I look forward to this confirmation hearing.

My first question to you is as follows:

What do you hope to achieve in your term? Please be specific and detailed.

Dykataar wrote:Congratulations Snowflame on your nomination. I look forward to this confirmation hearing.

My first question to you is as follows:

What do you hope to achieve in your term? Please be specific and detailed.

Thank you for the question!

Well to start off with, I would like to work towards an active court. Recently in Thaecia, we've seen constant complaints against the Court for lack of activity whether that be in certifying election results or tackling cases. I will, and this is evident by my previous record, be an active member of the Court. I check discord everyday, I check NationStates everyday. When I am needed for something important, I will, without a doubt, be there.

I also want to assist with fixing the Court procedures which are incredibly outdated and, quite frankly, suck. Parts of them are unconstitutional and need to be fixed as soon as possible. And if the Senate chooses to confirm me, I will work with my fellow Justices to solve the issues we have with the procedures.

Snowflame wrote:Thank you for the question!

Well to start off with, I would like to work towards an active court. Recently in Thaecia, we've seen constant complaints against the Court for lack of activity whether that be in certifying election results or tackling cases. I will, and this is evident by my previous record, be an active member of the Court. I check discord everyday, I check NationStates everyday. When I am needed for something important, I will, without a doubt, be there.

I also want to assist with fixing the Court procedures which are incredibly outdated and, quite frankly, suck. Parts of them are unconstitutional and need to be fixed as soon as possible. And if the Senate chooses to confirm me, I will work with my fellow Justices to solve the issues we have with the procedures.

Thank you for your answer.

A follow up question:

How do you plan to 'fix the Court'? Please be as detailed as possible.

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