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Post Nuclear hellscape wrote:Is not that a good thing, since "unnatural" things are so bad?

I never said that all unnatural things are bad. >_>

The Church of Satan wrote:I never said that all unnatural things are bad. >_>

Than whats wrong with WMD's?

Rca occupation

Post by Post Nuclear hellscape suppressed by Dead I Jack.

They're tools, extension of the will. Thus, even though they're unnatural, there's nothing wrong with them.

Post Nuclear hellscape wrote:Than whats wrong with WMD's?

I've never been a fan of more advanced ways to kill one another. The only WMD that has proven necessary is the nuclear bomb. The ever-present threat of mutually assured destruction keeps us all from wiping each other out.

The Church of Satan wrote:I've never been a fan of more advanced ways to kill one another. The only WMD that has proven necessary is the nuclear bomb. The ever-present threat of mutually assured destruction keeps us all from wiping each other out.

Mutually assured destruction would be ideal.

Whoa, Spode Humbled Minions! That's one handsome dispatch! In all honesty I'd forgotten about that. These meds over the last year make my mind so foggy.

"The meds over the last year"
ROOT DRONE DETECTED!

I was banned for being good, sorry NS I am too good.

Post Nuclear hellscape wrote:"The meds over the last year"
ROOT DRONE DETECTED!

Are you suggesting some sort of mind control or mental suggestion? Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be surprised if it's being researched by every government of the world.

The Church of Satan wrote:Are you suggesting some sort of mind control or mental suggestion? Don't get me wrong I wouldn't be surprised if it's being researched by every government of the world.

Yes.

Post Nuclear hellscape wrote:Yes.

You're mistaken. I take medication for my epilepsy, which I've had for 16 years now. The new medication just has some side affects my previous ones didn't. It's very disorienting sometimes. Such as today.

Rca occupation

The Church of Satan wrote:You're mistaken. I take medication for my epilepsy, which I've had for 16 years now. The new medication just has some side affects my previous ones didn't. It's very disorienting sometimes. Such as today.

Medicine is unnatural, like WMDs.

94 rocks

The Church of Satan wrote:You're mistaken. I take medication for my epilepsy, which I've had for 16 years now. The new medication just has some side affects my previous ones didn't. It's very disorienting sometimes. Such as today.

My wife has been diagnosed with epilepsy since she was 13, and she turns 30 in a few months. Her seizures are pretty bad. She has petite Mal and grand Mal seizures. What sucks in addition to that, is that she requires two name brand medicine. Which would cost us around $6k a month with insurance if we got it here in the states. So we order them from Canada for $500 a month, and it takes a month to get here. Sometimes there’s an issue with it being late, or on manufacture back order, and I have to pay the exorbitant costs to cover the period of time till we get it from Canada.

So I understand a bit of what you’re going through, and I hope you’re okay.

Rca occupation wrote:Medicine is unnatural, like WMDs.

Medicine keeps people healthy. >_>

94 rocks wrote:My wife has been diagnosed with epilepsy since she was 13, and she turns 30 in a few months. Her seizures are pretty bad. She has petite Mal and grand Mal seizures. What sucks in addition to that, is that she requires two name brand medicine. Which would cost us around $6k a month with insurance if we got it here in the states. So we order them from Canada for $500 a month, and it takes a month to get here. Sometimes there’s an issue with it being late, or on manufacture back order, and I have to pay the exorbitant costs to cover the period of time till we get it from Canada.

So I understand a bit of what you’re going through, and I hope you’re okay.

She's not much older than me then. I hope she doesn't take Keppra. That stuff is notorious. There was a recall recently for Lamitrogine. Don't remember exactly why. I think a few batches were contaminated with something.

Thanks, I could honestly be much worse. I hope you're wife is well too.

Marilyn Manson Freaks and 94 rocks

Outboundstagnate

How the f*ck did this chat get to calling Hitlers universally deplorable actions subjective? Where are the mods when there have been double posts? What sort of sh*t show happened whilst I was gone?

Outboundstagnate wrote:How the f*ck did this chat get to calling Hitlers universally deplorable actions subjective? Where are the mods when there have been double posts? What sort of sh*t show happened whilst I was gone?

Believe me I was as bewildered as you are.

94 rocks

I’m not sure what she used to be on. But the first two years she had been diagnosed with epilepsy, she has next to no memory of since her seizures were so bad, at least 20 a day. Mixed with trying to figure out which medicine she need to be on, some of which even made her hallucinate. She is fine now. She’s on name brand Lamictal and name brand Zonegran, and it works. Sometimes she will have break through Grand mal seizures That happen once a year or so. But I believe that’s when she’s extremely stressed or fatigued. And then there’s the occasional petite Mal seizure that she will have maybe once a month.

94 rocks wrote:I’m not sure what she used to be on. But the first two years she had been diagnosed with epilepsy, she has next to no memory of since her seizures were so bad, at least 20 a day. Mixed with trying to figure out which medicine she need to be on, some of which even made her hallucinate. She is fine now. She’s on name brand Lamictal and name brand Zonegran, and it works. Sometimes she will have break through Grand mal seizures That happen once a year or so. But I believe that’s when she’s extremely stressed or fatigued. And then there’s the occasional petite Mal seizure that she will have maybe once a month.

Ah yes, Lamictal is Lamitrigine. You might want to look into the recall notice to make sure her pills don't pose a threat to her health.

94 rocks

94 rocks

The Church of Satan wrote:Ah yes, Lamictal is Lamitrigine. You might want to look into the recall notice to make sure her pills don't pose a threat to her health.

Thanks for the heads up. I’ll be sure to have her look into it.

Edit: the contamination was with hypertension medicine, and affected 100mg tablets. My wife takes 200mg tablets. All safe here.

The Church of Satan wrote:Medicine keeps people healthy. >_>
She's not much older than me then. I hope she doesn't take Keppra. That stuff is notorious. There was a recall recently for Lamitrogine. Don't remember exactly why. I think a few batches were contaminated with something.

Thanks, I could honestly be much worse. I hope you're wife is well too.

That it does. It also sustains lives which natural selection is attempting to claim.

weeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Outboundstagnate

Post Nuclear hellscape wrote:That it does. It also sustains lives which natural selection is attempting to claim.

Technological society as a whole stops natural selection. Unless you are a luddite, your belief in natural selection is shallow.

Outboundstagnate wrote:Technological society as a whole stops natural selection. Unless you are a luddite, your belief in natural selection is shallow.

Right, and actually, the distinction between "natural" and "man-made" is spurious, because human beings are part of nature, so all human activity is part of nature too.

There's nothing unnatural about using technology to prolong human lives, especially if humans are the ones doing it. Humans using advanced pharmaceuticals to prolong life is exactly as natural and unnatural as a bird building a nest to protect her eggs, or a tiger using its claws to kill its prey. Just because an activity is more complex, doesn't make it an exception to the inevitable processes of "natural selection". Selection is just a logical consequence of reality, not a philosophy that requires ideological devotion.

The Church of Satan wrote:Ah yes, Lamictal is Lamitrigine. You might want to look into the recall notice to make sure her pills don't pose a threat to her health.

Coming back to that, its also worth noting that with antiepileptic medications, brand =/= generic. Neurologists always recommend prescribing by brand, as switching manufacturer can result in different secondary ingredients, which in turn can affect bioavailability and have a knock-on effect on seizure thresholds.

So basically, always insist that anti-epileptic prescriptions are by brand.

That doesn't apply for most medicines, of course, just for epilepsy.

Outboundstagnate

First And Only Archive wrote:Right, and actually, the distinction between "natural" and "man-made" is spurious, because human beings are part of nature, so all human activity is part of nature too.

There's nothing unnatural about using technology to prolong human lives, especially if humans are the ones doing it. Humans using advanced pharmaceuticals to prolong life is exactly as natural and unnatural as a bird building a nest to protect her eggs, or a tiger using its claws to kill its prey. Just because an activity is more complex, doesn't make it an exception to the inevitable processes of "natural selection". Selection is just a logical consequence of reality, not a philosophy that requires ideological devotion.

*sips orange juice*

Come on then.

Human nature is that of hunter-gathering not complex society. Humans reaction to social awkwardness makes social awkwardness stronger. I could continue to cite examples of how human society is not natural. Humans are animals and as animals, we have a habitat. We have now been completely removed from our natural enviroment which is why so many ills exist such as depression, social anxiety and so on.

Technology is not unnatural but industrial technology is. Humans are not supposed to live for a 100 years. This is a product of industrial technology. Humans in their natural enviroments lived to thier 20s, had children and died satisfied that they completed their role in nature, reproduction. Industrial society now creates a mass of people who live unsatisfied and has created a thriving market for "fulfillment". Human life is now completely "unfulfilling" because we are not in our habitat. Animals removed from thier natural habitat behave very strangely. Humans are never talked about when it comes to animals removed from habitats but the consequences are everywhere.

Natural selection is mostly dead in industrial societies because of modern medicine forcing undesirable traits to continue.

A well thought out essay on this topic is the essay "Industrial Society And Its Future".

Alright I don't know about everyone else but I've grown tired of this conversation. If y'all would like to continue in TGs that's fine. But apparently some of you can't help yourselves from advocating for genocide and cheering on Hitler. This ain't the place for that and if anyone wants to make that argument your posts will be suppressed. I'd also rather we not "feed" the folks who are looking to have this argument. Also please remember to follow the rules on doubleposting:


Rejected Realms RMB - A Message Board Guide

What is the Regional Message Board?
The regional message board (RMB for short) is the space within the Rejected Realms (TRR for Short) that players and nations can post messages, hold conversations, debates, all sorts! It is free for any member of the region, or members of embassy regions to post on, so long as they stay within the rules.

One notable thing of the typical discussion on the RMB, is that it is within the rules. Despite TRR being a region where you can't be ejected, there are still rules that you must follow to partake on the RMB, and in the region, in good faith.

The Rules
The Rules, the cornerstone of RMB etiquette. They are:

  1. Stay within NationStates rules.
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  2. Do not call for the overthrow of the regional government.
    The regional government is democratically elected, and they are limited on what they can do by the constitution, which is located Linkhere. Every important position in TRR is democratically elected, so the best way to ensure you have a say in the government is to Linkapply for citizenship, and partake in elections.

  3. Don't Multi Post
    Multi-Posting is when you post multiple posts on the RMB in a row, without someone having said something in between. If you have more to say, use the edit button!

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    Don't recruit by posting recruitment messages on the RMB, it may be within NS Rules but we don't allow it. However, advertising polls it fine.

  5. Don't quote suppressed messages
    They've been suppressed for a reason, and you're likely to be suppressed to if you quote them. However, quoting a person and rewriting their message to be a slight variation on "snip" is acceptable, but we don't recommend you engage suppressed posts at all.

  6. Be Respectful
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    Paired with this, do not complain about your previous region, the reason they ejected you, or your past and how you ended up here. Most nations here don't care about your past drama, and TRR is a place to start new, a fresh start, and not be plagued by issues of the past.

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    If a regional officer of the region with communications perms asks you to stop, or an NS Moderator does the same, stop.

If you break any of these rules, you are liable to be suppressed, but it's relatively easy to stay within them, as they're aren't hard to follow!

General Etiquette

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