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Jutlop wrote:tbh part of me dislikes mainstrean "establishment" leftists in the west. They are more or less politically idle

Tbh I wouldn't say that the west has any mainstream "establishment" actual leftists.

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Comrades, here is the Daily News

Good morning/afternoon/evening!

Give a warm welcome to our newest comrades: Neue deutchland, Aydennett, and Union of hungarian socialist republics

Here is today's news:

Executive Affairs


  • The standing period for the Executive election has begun! The standing period will last until the 22nd, and the voting period afterward will last for 48 hours. All citizens are eligible to run. Open positions include: First Minister, Minister of Domestic Affairs, Minister of Foreign Affairs, Minister of Information, Minister of World Assembly Affairs, and Minister of Culture. Here are the candidates so far:

    Sign up here: https://tcb.red/forum/topic/2415-sign-up-executive-election-april-2021?page=1#pid11954

  • The Ministry of Culture has announced the second round of match ups for the regional Chess tournament:

    @Wasc (wolfmancal) vs @Trabardia Kuznetsov ☭ (rye0bread)
    @Martyn Sealgaír Kiryu (Mkiryu) vs @Ant (Snannybobo)
    @WhoAmIToDisagree (WhoAmIToDisagree121) vs @Socialist Heronia (eternitydragon)
    @Kolya (Kolya_the_Great) vs @Vor (sandshrew4)
    @Evil Kava [TLA] (KVGRad) vs @Karl Kuznetsov von Habsburg 🌹 (UrutaaLathyrus)

  • The TCB Card Factory is open and churning out cards! This program includes regional giveaways, a regional art museum, card requests, and of course, shiny 1% International Artwork badges. TCBs Card Factory is asking for a team of volunteers to help operate card farms to ensure a steady supply of cards are being printed. Think you can help? Sign up today.

  • The Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Ministry of Information are recruiting volunteers. Sign up here: https://tcb.red/forum/forum/15-the-civil-service

Legislative Affairs


General


  • We have opened The Great People's Rec Hall in our Regional Discord server, and will hopefully host DnD and reading nights in the future. This is also where future Ministerial debates will be held.

  • Check out the Law Archive! It is an easy way to navigate and keep track of all our laws. This document is updated as new laws get passed.

  • Want some endorsements? Run the Revolutionary Endorsement Program! It's simple and doesn't take very much time. Endorse comrades, get endorsed back.

  • Our forums are online, but unfortunately, we have lost a whole year of data. If you applied for citizenship after January of 2020 (Feb-Dec of 2020), make sure to reapply!. You may also have to recreate your account. Apologies for this inconvenience. The government will be working as quickly as possible to re-accept citizenship applications. In order to prevent this from happening again in the future, we will be discussing our options on a forum transfer. Stay tuned! (Disclaimer: this only applies if you were registered as a citizen in-between February 2020 and December 2020. If you have joined TCB after this time period you do not need to re-apply for citizenship)

This Day in History
By Theria Han


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While run by the Ministry of Information, the Daily News does not necessarily reflect the stance of the current administration. Please contact the Minister of Information Pajonia on NationStates or Ant(Pajonia) in the Regional Discord for any corrections, suggestions, questions, comments, or concerns.

This article was authored by Pajonia. "This Day in History" is authored by volunteer of the MoI, Theria han

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Happy Sunday Comrades! Here's "This Day in History" for April 18!

On this day in 1906, at 5:13 a.m., an earthquake estimated at close to 8.0 on the Richter scale strikes San Francisco, California, killing an estimated 3,000 people as it topples numerous buildings. The quake was caused by a slip of the San Andreas Fault over a segment about 275 miles long, and shock waves could be felt from southern Oregon down to Los Angeles. San Francisco’s brick buildings and wooden Victorian structures were especially devastated. Fires immediately broke out and–because broken water mains prevented firefighters from stopping them–firestorms soon developed citywide. At 7 a.m., U.S. Army troops from Fort Mason reported to the Hall of Justice, and San Francisco Mayor E.E. Schmitz called for the enforcement of a dusk-to-dawn curfew and authorized soldiers to shoot-to-kill anyone found looting. Meanwhile, in the face of significant aftershocks, firefighters and U.S. troops fought desperately to control the ongoing fire, often dynamiting whole city blocks to create firewalls. On April 20, 20,000 refugees trapped by the massive fire were evacuated from the foot of Van Ness Avenue onto the USS Chicago. By April 23, most fires were extinguished, and authorities commenced the task of rebuilding the devastated metropolis. It was estimated that some 3,000 people died as a result of the Great San Francisco Earthquake and the devastating fires it inflicted upon the city. Almost 30,000 buildings were destroyed, including most of the city’s homes and nearly all the central business district. (Disasters)

On this day in 2001, 46 demonstrators at Harvard University, carrying sleeping bags, computers, and a week's supply of food, occupied Massachusetts Hall, refusing to budge until the school agreed to pay its workers a "living wage". The protest was a culmination of years of activism at Harvard to try and get the richest university in the world to pay all of its workers a living wage. The sit-in ended after 21 days (the longest in Harvard history) when Harvard President Neil L. Rudenstine announced the formation of a University-wide committee to investigate the "principles and policies" regarding low paid and contract university workers. No non-unionized or non-management workers served on the committee, however, and the workers that did were outnumbered 3-1 by faculty and students. (Protests)

Also on this day in 1912, the Paint Creek Mine War began when miners in Kanawha County, West Virginia went on strike, demanding formal union recognition and fairer labor practices, a labor action that quickly escalated into violence. The event, also known as the Paint Creek-Cabin Creek Strike, centered on the area enclosed by two streams, Paint Creek and Cabin Creek. It is considered part of the "Coal Wars", a series of armed conflicts between workers and coal companies from the 1890s - 1930s in the United States. The strike lasted for fourteen months, and over 5,000 workers participated. Notable labor organizer Mother Jones (shown above) came to West Virginia to support the workers, organizing a secret march of 3,000 armed miners to the steps of the state capitol in Charleston to read a declaration of war to Governor William E. Glasscock. The confrontation directly caused perhaps fifty violent deaths from armed conflicts between miners and strike-breaking forces, as well as many more deaths indirectly caused by starvation and malnutrition among the striking miners. In terms of casualties, it was among the worst conflicts in American labor union history. (Labor Strikes)

Sodoran Alesia, Thebrin, 503, and The greater tulsa area

Has anybody read through the GA resolution presently at vote? (Long-Term Storage Of Produced Waste)
The author clearly hasn't thought things through - not all "waste" requires storage on site for 70 years, and not all producers need something that large!

Allow me to illustrate, with a real world example:
- A&I Holmes & Co Ltd produces cheese cloth caps, binders and straining cloths for the dairy trade.
- They are a small family firm with less than 20 employees; mostly family members.
- Cutting out the Caps & Binders results in off-cuts of fabric.
- The waste fabric scraps constitute a fire hazard, so at present they are stored in a sealed steel container outside.
- The waste fabric is collected for recycling on a weekly basis.

Were we to take this real world example, and subject it to the requirements of this proposal then;
- The offcuts represent a fire hazard, and therefore as per the wording of this proposal they have "the potential to become a problem" and must be treated as controlled waste.
- Under the requirements of this proposal, this would require the construction of a long term storage facility.
- Said facility is required to be of a size that would dwarf their current manufacturing and office facilities by several orders of magnitude.
- This despite the fact that there will never be any need for long term storage, as the waste is recycled into new cloth weekly.
- This despite the fact that the waste (natural bleached cotton) is both entirely non-hazardous and fully biodegradable.

As such, this proposal is not fit for purpose, as it tries to force the use of a "one size fits all" approach, for something that should really vary by industry and production capacity of the manufacturer.
I really do wish folk would think about exactly what they have written, and consider all possible implications before hitting submit.....

Also, is anyone else having issues with TCB.red?

Red nation state

Shamian wrote:Has anybody read through the GA resolution presently at vote? (Long-Term Storage Of Produced Waste)
The author clearly hasn't thought things through - not all "waste" requires storage on site for 70 years, and not all producers need something that large!

Allow me to illustrate, with a real world example:
- A&I Holmes & Co Ltd produces cheese cloth caps, binders and straining cloths for the dairy trade.
- They are a small family firm with less than 20 employees; mostly family members.
- Cutting out the Caps & Binders results in off-cuts of fabric.
- The waste fabric scraps constitute a fire hazard, so at present they are stored in a sealed steel container outside.
- The waste fabric is collected for recycling on a weekly basis.

Were we to take this real world example, and subject it to the requirements of this proposal then;
- The offcuts represent a fire hazard, and therefore as per the wording of this proposal they have "the potential to become a problem" and must be treated as controlled waste.
- Under the requirements of this proposal, this would require the construction of a long term storage facility.
- Said facility is required to be of a size that would dwarf their current manufacturing and office facilities by several orders of magnitude.
- This despite the fact that there will never be any need for long term storage, as the waste is recycled into new cloth weekly.
- This despite the fact that the waste (natural bleached cotton) is both entirely non-hazardous and fully biodegradable.

As such, this proposal is not fit for purpose, as it tries to force the use of a "one size fits all" approach, for something that should really vary by industry and production capacity of the manufacturer.
I really do wish folk would think about exactly what they have written, and consider all possible implications before hitting submit.....

Also, is anyone else having issues with TCB.red?

Perhaps you should draft a proposal to repeal the bill?

Shamian wrote:Has anybody read through the GA resolution presently at vote? (Long-Term Storage Of Produced Waste)
The author clearly hasn't thought things through - not all "waste" requires storage on site for 70 years, and not all producers need something that large!

Allow me to illustrate, with a real world example:
- A&I Holmes & Co Ltd produces cheese cloth caps, binders and straining cloths for the dairy trade.
- They are a small family firm with less than 20 employees; mostly family members.
- Cutting out the Caps & Binders results in off-cuts of fabric.
- The waste fabric scraps constitute a fire hazard, so at present they are stored in a sealed steel container outside.
- The waste fabric is collected for recycling on a weekly basis.

Were we to take this real world example, and subject it to the requirements of this proposal then;
- The offcuts represent a fire hazard, and therefore as per the wording of this proposal they have "the potential to become a problem" and must be treated as controlled waste.
- Under the requirements of this proposal, this would require the construction of a long term storage facility.
- Said facility is required to be of a size that would dwarf their current manufacturing and office facilities by several orders of magnitude.
- This despite the fact that there will never be any need for long term storage, as the waste is recycled into new cloth weekly.
- This despite the fact that the waste (natural bleached cotton) is both entirely non-hazardous and fully biodegradable.

As such, this proposal is not fit for purpose, as it tries to force the use of a "one size fits all" approach, for something that should really vary by industry and production capacity of the manufacturer.
I really do wish folk would think about exactly what they have written, and consider all possible implications before hitting submit.....

Also, is anyone else having issues with TCB.red?

A&I Holmes & Co Ltd shall be nationalized, the 20 ex-employees shall be freed from caplitalistic oppression and the bourgeois family shall be sent to a gulag in the Far East oblast'.

Brezzia wrote:A&I Holmes & Co Ltd shall be nationalized, the 20 ex-employees shall be freed from caplitalistic oppression and the bourgeois family shall be sent to a gulag in the Far East oblast'.

To clarify, by "family firm", I mean family owned and operated; all but 3 members of staff are part of the same extended family.

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Shamian wrote:Has anybody read through the GA resolution presently at vote? (Long-Term Storage Of Produced Waste)
The author clearly hasn't thought things through - not all "waste" requires storage on site for 70 years, and not all producers need something that large!

Allow me to illustrate, with a real world example:
- A&I Holmes & Co Ltd produces cheese cloth caps, binders and straining cloths for the dairy trade.
- They are a small family firm with less than 20 employees; mostly family members.
- Cutting out the Caps & Binders results in off-cuts of fabric.
- The waste fabric scraps constitute a fire hazard, so at present they are stored in a sealed steel container outside.
- The waste fabric is collected for recycling on a weekly basis.

Were we to take this real world example, and subject it to the requirements of this proposal then;
- The offcuts represent a fire hazard, and therefore as per the wording of this proposal they have "the potential to become a problem" and must be treated as controlled waste.
- Under the requirements of this proposal, this would require the construction of a long term storage facility.
- Said facility is required to be of a size that would dwarf their current manufacturing and office facilities by several orders of magnitude.
- This despite the fact that there will never be any need for long term storage, as the waste is recycled into new cloth weekly.
- This despite the fact that the waste (natural bleached cotton) is both entirely non-hazardous and fully biodegradable.

As such, this proposal is not fit for purpose, as it tries to force the use of a "one size fits all" approach, for something that should really vary by industry and production capacity of the manufacturer.
I really do wish folk would think about exactly what they have written, and consider all possible implications before hitting submit.....

Also, is anyone else having issues with TCB.red?

I read the proposal. Could not the small factories form co-operative? This resolution even encourages Nation, ONG and WA to aid them. Maybe it should specify that firm can recycle stuff in loco and give the money from penalities to aid firm that can't afford storage facilities.
The resolution mentions wast that are "discharged", so if small firms stored them to recycle them later, they should be fine. In industrial zones they can share the same storage facility.

I smell bourgeois propaganda. Be aware comrade!

Shamian wrote:To clarify, by "family firm", I mean family owned and operated; all but 3 members of staff are part of the same extended family.

If the 20 cousins doesn't own the means of production, even familiars shall be considered exploiters.

the WA is mostly capitalist dogs, i see no reason to participate

Brezzia wrote:This resolution even encourages Nation, ONG and WA to aid them.

yes, and then goes on to say:
"Penalties in the form of monetary fines shall be distributed to businesses that do not take the necessary measures to store waste properly, even if they are offered facilities from an NGO or a national government."

Which I read as meaning that if you accept the offer of NGO/Government assistance, you get fined anyway.
Also, as "NGO" is defined in this bill as "private organizations dedicating funding, resources and time to...the ensured long-term storage of produced waste", it could be taken to mean any privately funded organisation - like a cooperative - that is outside the governments direct control.

Shamian wrote:yes, and then goes on to say:
"Penalties in the form of monetary fines shall be distributed to businesses that do not take the necessary measures to store waste properly, even if they are offered facilities from an NGO or a national government."

Which I read as meaning that if you accept the offer of NGO/Government assistance, you get fined anyway.
Also, as "NGO" isn't defined anywhere in this bill, it could be taken to mean any organisation - like a cooperative - that is outside the governments control.

I think that they will be fined if they can use a national or NGO facility, but they don't send their waste there. A facility is offered them, but they still don't store waste properly.

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Radicalania, Sodoran Alesia, and Aydennett

Shamian wrote:

- Said facility is required to be of a size that would dwarf their current manufacturing and office facilities by several orders of magnitude.

7000 metric tons are roughly 7000 m^3 of water. If the facility heigh is 14 m (a three-floors house), it will need 500 m^2 (20m*25m) which is 3 volleyball field for non-metric users, maybe 4-5 (650-800 m^2) with walls, space between stored stuff, stairs etc. I don't how much waste a factory can produce and the Weight/Volume Ratio change with the material, but a 1000 m^2 industrial building of a medium factory seems good even if it allows smaller ones to store their waste in its facility.

The mexican workers

What did I miss?

Western utopias

The mexican workers wrote:A new reality

A NEW COOKIE

Western utopias

Opinions on liberal social democracy?

Shamian wrote:Has anybody read through the GA resolution presently at vote? (Long-Term Storage Of Produced Waste)
The author clearly hasn't thought things through - not all "waste" requires storage on site for 70 years, and not all producers need something that large!

Allow me to illustrate, with a real world example:
- A&I Holmes & Co Ltd produces cheese cloth caps, binders and straining cloths for the dairy trade.
- They are a small family firm with less than 20 employees; mostly family members.
- Cutting out the Caps & Binders results in off-cuts of fabric.
- The waste fabric scraps constitute a fire hazard, so at present they are stored in a sealed steel container outside.
- The waste fabric is collected for recycling on a weekly basis.

Were we to take this real world example, and subject it to the requirements of this proposal then;
- The offcuts represent a fire hazard, and therefore as per the wording of this proposal they have "the potential to become a problem" and must be treated as controlled waste.
- Under the requirements of this proposal, this would require the construction of a long term storage facility.
- Said facility is required to be of a size that would dwarf their current manufacturing and office facilities by several orders of magnitude.
- This despite the fact that there will never be any need for long term storage, as the waste is recycled into new cloth weekly.
- This despite the fact that the waste (natural bleached cotton) is both entirely non-hazardous and fully biodegradable.

As such, this proposal is not fit for purpose, as it tries to force the use of a "one size fits all" approach, for something that should really vary by industry and production capacity of the manufacturer.
I really do wish folk would think about exactly what they have written, and consider all possible implications before hitting submit.....

Also, is anyone else having issues with TCB.red?

Funny part is I live in Georgia

Western utopias wrote:Opinions on liberal social democracy?

While it may allow certain benefits for the workers in that nation, Social Democracy relies upon the continued exploitation of the third world and is at best incomplete reformism and at worse capitalists hoping to stave off revolution.

Greatunion of soviet socialist republics, Ubertas, Sodoran Alesia, Pajonia, and 8 othersRedternetia, Feyrisshire, Thebrin, 503, Vestrik, Ulirr, The greater tulsa area, and Epicurasia

Cordais wrote:While it may allow certain benefits for the workers in that nation, Social Democracy relies upon the continued exploitation of the third world and is at best incomplete reformism and at worse capitalists hoping to stave off revolution.

This ^^^^
Social democracy also runs on the idea that moneied interests aren't inherently an attribute and part of the essence of the existing state

Sodoran Alesia, Pajonia, Redternetia, Feyrisshire, and 3 othersVestrik, The greater tulsa area, and Cordais

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Thoughts on Homer's Enemy?

Ubertas wrote:This ^^^^
Social democracy also runs on the idea that moneied interests aren't inherently an attribute and part of the essence of the existing state

Also we have seen time and time again that when push comes to shove Social Democrats will side with capital against true revolutionary communism. Rosa and Karl are obviously the most famous example but one only has to look at the sprint to the right Social Democratic parties across the world are taking to see the truth

Greatunion of soviet socialist republics, Ubertas, Sodoran Alesia, Redternetia, and 2 othersUlirr, and The greater tulsa area

Neo japanese state wrote:Thoughts on Homer's Enemy?

I like that episode

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