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Roborian wrote:I think that the key word here is "consciously", and by best available evidence, that does not apply here. It appears, from what we currently know, that the officer believed that she was using a weapon, the Taser, that would not have a significant chance of causing death or great bodily harm, the use of the gun was unconscious, as evidenced by both her shouting "Taser, taser, taser!" and her reaction after shooting him. Had she drawn the gun intentionally and accidentally pulled the trigger, I think that there would be a better case for "conscious" negligence because the choice would have been made to bring to bear a deadly weapon, but that was not the case here: I think she is innocent of the charge as written, and fairly clearly so.

About to go to bed so I’ll just drop this link for now.

https://amp.kstp.com/articles/former-judge-explains-reasoning-behind-manslaughter-charge-for-officer-who-shot-daunte-wright-6075504.html

edit: I asked a good friend of mine what he thought about the charge. He’s a CO at a state prison in our state. The same prison that handles death row inmates, incidentally. Here’s his view:

From what I heard about the body camera footage, it was a mistake. That said I believe the manslaughter 2 charge sounds reasonable.

The key part is “ culpable negligence”, not checking her weapon before firing was a unreasonable risk to the suspect.

Horatius Cocles wrote:About to go to bed so I’ll just drop this link for now.

https://amp.kstp.com/articles/former-judge-explains-reasoning-behind-manslaughter-charge-for-officer-who-shot-daunte-wright-6075504.html

edit: I asked a good friend of mine what he thought about the charge. He’s a CO at a state prison in our state. The same prison that handles death row inmates, incidentally. Here’s his view:

From what I heard about the body camera footage, it was a mistake. That said I believe the manslaughter 2 charge sounds reasonable.

The key part is “ culpable negligence”, not checking her weapon before firing was a unreasonable risk to the suspect.

The structure of the law appears to make it clear that it is not an 'either/or' between 'culpable negligence' and 'consciously takes chances', but that it must be both. I think the negligence part is reasonable to the situation, but the conscious part is not, the case largely hinges on the action being unconscious, and if it does not fulfill both parts of the statute, it does not qualify.
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It seems like, from an outside perspective and that link as well, that most people are defending the manslaughter charge on the basis of it being a less severe one than murder, I think that based on the specific Minnesota law, not manslaughter in general, it does not meet that-and that is more about Minnesota than manslaughter in general. For example, Illinois's manslaughter law:

"A person who unintentionally kills an individual without lawful justification commits involuntary manslaughter if his acts whether lawful or unlawful which cause the death are such as are likely to cause death or great bodily harm to some individual, and he performs them recklessly"

Under that law, and probably many other manslaughter laws, I think that she could much more reasonably be convicted: no requirement for conscious action, the actions were likely to cause great bodily harm, and then the argument would be that drawing without double-checking was reckless. It is not so much that she did not commit manslaughter, but that she did not appear to meet the criteria for Minnesota's specific definition of it.

Horatius Cocles wrote:I have suppression powers but I didn’t suppress your post. New Dolgaria chose to do that

I know I saw that. I meant my post was wrongfully suppressed. For some reason I thought I was talking with him. Probably because you seemed to be on his side and mentioned you had suppression powers

I actually sent him a telegram asking why I believe (I wasn't talking to you and I believe you thought I was, because you told me you had the power to suppress posts randomly after I asked why my post was suppressed to everyone.

Post by The Confederacy of Beastland suppressed by Aawia.

Horatius Cocles wrote:I have suppression powers but I didn’t suppress your post. New Dolgaria chose to do that

Dolgaria sounds like an idiot.

Wow, this region is full of libs it seems.

Post by The Confederacy of Beastland suppressed by Aawia.

Horatius Cocles wrote:You’re welcome to apply for citizenship on our off-site forums. Our constitution and regional laws are there also. Some of the regional ministers, like myself, have admin powers that may include the ability to suppress posts.

I never said you didn't, you moron. I said I disagreed with the reason someone
suppressed my post. I was just mentioning that I was reading your constitution. You are so stupid. I can't stand liberals....

I bet this post will be suppressed. Or maybe not because I said I bet this post will be suppressed. We will see.

"Liberals" (falsely) believe they are morally superior to others. As we have seen.

Again, Beastland, there are plenty of ways to get disagreement across without resorting to insults, they do nothing to help your case.

Haha, my post was suppressed.

The Confederacy of Beastland wrote:Wow, this region is full of libs it seems.

We have over 112 nations in this region, the majority of whom follow a conservative persuasion. There are some members that are more liberal in their views, but they are a minority by comparison. The Catholic State of Eire New Dolgaria and myself are more active among the smaller liberal set than the others. Roborian Phydios Aawia are more active among the larger conservative set. In terms of regional ministers, we have a balance of three conservatives and three liberals.

Phydios wrote:Depends on what you mean by "freedom of speech". Insulting others is a good way to get ejected. But you can argue whatever point you want within the rules- we've even had abortion advocates come here and debate without getting kicked out.

Roborian wrote:Again, Beastland, there are plenty of ways to get disagreement across without resorting to insults, they do nothing to help your case.

Read the above if you don't like getting your posts suppressed The Confederacy of Beastland

Hello RTL,

It is again a time of mourning for my family. Another family member of mine has fallen to covid at the age of 92. If you are so inclined, please pray for his repose and peace, esp. since he was not of the Christian faith. He lived a full and active life but his loss is deeply saddening to us all. As if this affliction were not enough, 4 other family members have the disease as well.

HC

The Confederacy of Beastland wrote:Wow, this region is full of libs it seems.

Beastland, man, you're taking this a bit far. I'm not really sure why Dolgaria suppressed the first post (especially since I don't remember it), but we definitely appreciate civil conversation and you first reaction should not be to throw out insults like "idiot", "moron", or "stupid" instead of actually talking to people even if they are bothering you. I know you didn't used to do this even if someone irritated you in the FFS. Roborian and Aawia are both great examples of a better way, they are some of the first people to engage with the semi-regular pro-abortion trolls who visit this region. Even though they make bad arguments, call us names, etc. they still turn the other cheek, be the better man, and respond with a level head. Christian charity tells us this is the best response. Not only that, but Roborian regularly talks about his pro-gun and anti-censorship conservative stances. You are on the same side, but even he doesn't support being rude about it.
And, no, calling a spade a spade doesn't make you a liberal.

Here's a couple of excellent meditations from Marcus Aurelius that I think are great to keep in mind when online, or for that matter, in real life:
-“Whatever anyone does or says, I must be good, just as if the gold, or the emerald, or the purple were always saying this, whatever anyone does or says, I must be emerald and keep my color.”
-“It’s silly to try to escape other people’s faults. They are inescapable. Just try to escape your own.”

The Confederacy of Beastland wrote:Oh so my posts are being censored. I dont get why that one is censored at all. I think I sense something.

I suppressed that post because it seemed clearly sexist to me. Admittedly, I may have overreacted, but your behavior since then has not given me much reason to unsuppress the post.

In other news, I have recently rediscovered the Vivaldi web browser which has substantially improved and it is now, unquestioningly, the best browser.

Chrome is evil.

https://vivaldi.com

New Dolgaria wrote:I suppressed that post because it seemed clearly sexist to me. Admittedly, I may have overreacted, but your behavior since then has not given me much reason to unsuppress the post.

I personally didn't suppress that post because it was at least not targeted, and not overtly insulting outside of the controversy inherent to the opinion. So, I think it is ground for discussion, ideally sexism should die when scrutinized if it is indeed so wrong. For example, the post you suppressed implied that a male cop would not have mistook his gun for a tazer, while history shows this as objectively wrong, https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/nation-world/ct-aud-nw-nyt-officers-mistook-guns-tasers-20210414-pvgqpv4wfrhfzhpy2pzwjwbjha-story.html so a healthy and fair debate about the matter is fair.

The Confederacy of Beastland wrote:Haha, my post was suppressed.

As for you Beastland, I will suppress any post that targets a direct and obvious insult at another member of the board. I like to keep ideas open to debate but I want to keep the board free from insults on individuals, besides ad hominems will only serve to shut down discussion, not open it up. Please, if you are going to stay here, try to make your points without directly insulting others.

PS: I do not consider myself a liberal, I am all over the board but socially, very conservative. Besides, I did not suppress your posts because I disagreed with them, but rather because they were attacking other members of the board. If a liberal were doing the same I would suppress their posts too. For example, if a liberal came in here and called you an idiot (not just immature like HC), I would suppress their post and warn them, and if they continued like you are now, I would continue suppressing. Please do not continue in a way that forces me to consider going beyond suppressions.

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:In other news, I have recently rediscovered the Vivaldi web browser which has substantially improved and it is now, unquestioningly, the best browser.

Chrome is evil.

https://vivaldi.com

Will have to look into this! Do you think it's better than Tor or Firefox? Also, if you think Chrome is evil, have you changed your search engine to something more private (DuckDuckGo, Startpage, SearX, etc.)? I've been looking at changing my mail client instead of using gmail all the time.

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:In other news, I have recently rediscovered the Vivaldi web browser which has substantially improved and it is now, unquestioningly, the best browser.

Chrome is evil.

https://vivaldi.com

Horatius Cocles wrote:Will have to look into this! Do you think it's better than Tor or Firefox? Also, if you think Chrome is evil, have you changed your search engine to something more private (DuckDuckGo, Startpage, SearX, etc.)? I've been looking at changing my mail client instead of using gmail all the time.

I've personally been primarily using the Epic browser, with pretty good results, Tor is good as well, I generally do not recommend Firefox. I have heard good things about Brave, though I have not tried it myself. I've switched primarily to DuckDuckGo for searching, it tends to be better for general use, Startpage is better for more refined searches looking for specific words or phrases, no experience with SearX. Realistically neither is really as good as Google search, but that's a tradeoff I'm all right with. Protonmail is good for email, but the inbox size limit will get you if you send or receive a lot of emails, I have not found a very good free email service, though I will take Hotmail over Gmail.

I will have to take a look at Vivaldi, I had not heard of it before.

Horatius Cocles wrote:We have over 112 nations in this region, the majority of whom follow a conservative persuasion. There are some members that are more liberal in their views, but they are a minority by comparison. The Catholic State of Eire New Dolgaria and myself are more active among the smaller liberal set than the others.

I would more identify as a very left winged Christian Democrat if anything, but from an American perspective I suppose I would be liberal.

Also sorry for the inactivity, I do however still keep tabs on what is written on the RMB most of the time.

Horatius Cocles wrote:Will have to look into this! Do you think it's better than Tor or Firefox? Also, if you think Chrome is evil, have you changed your search engine to something more private (DuckDuckGo, Startpage, SearX, etc.)? I've been looking at changing my mail client instead of using gmail all the time.

Never used Tor, Firefox in my opinion quit being effective several years ago and I switched to Opera, but Opera is now owned by some crazy Chinese company who have been slowly ruining it. Vivaldi was made by the old, Norwegian creator of Opera to re-create and improve on the old Opera. (I still use Opera as my secondary browser and still prefer it to anything else).
My hatred of chrome is mostly irrational and has little to do with privacy. First of all, chrome is really popular and I automatically start disliking popular things. Second, it is made by google and, even if their search engine is the best, I still try to avoid google products. Third, I don't like its style: too sleek, too sans serif, too modern. I also find it less functional. This is an old deep-seated grudge: I used to prefer to switch computers rather than use chrome, though since then I've run into situations where I have to use it.

Now I first tried Vivaldi 2 years ago and liked it but it was a bit slow and couldn't block ads. That has all changed now: it blocks tracking and ads as good as any browser. Better yet, it has a ridiculous degree of customization, so you can change everything, even putting your tabs on the bottom or the right or adding back the file/edit menus that were stripped off browsers a decade ago.
Two other nice features:
1) it has a built in side panel where you can have either a notepad running or pull open a side window, for example with Google Translate on it. This is very useful for my research, but totally optional, like everything.
2) it now has a built in email agent, like old Opera did (I haven't fully set this up)

Roborian wrote:I've personally been primarily using the Epic browser, with pretty good results, Tor is good as well, I generally do not recommend Firefox. I have heard good things about Brave, though I have not tried it myself. I've switched primarily to DuckDuckGo for searching, it tends to be better for general use, Startpage is better for more refined searches looking for specific words or phrases, no experience with SearX. Realistically neither is really as good as Google search, but that's a tradeoff I'm all right with. Protonmail is good for email, but the inbox size limit will get you if you send or receive a lot of emails, I have not found a very good free email service, though I will take Hotmail over Gmail.

I will have to take a look at Vivaldi, I had not heard of it before.

Oddly I've never heard of Epic. Still, see previous dislike of chrome: anything built on chromium starts looking too much like chrome, which is why Opera has been getting worse and Vivaldi is better (side note: Vivaldi is built on chromium too, but you can edit it so much that it looks and functions like firefox from 12 years ago or whatever). I have tried Brave, but same problem: too chrome-like and I'm not keen on cryptcurrency, which is ties itself too.
I tried to switch to Duck Duck Go, but my brain has become too synced to google search algorithms: I know exactly what to search for and where it will be found, I can't transition this to other searches. Oh well, I'm not actually that afraid of trackers: all they will find is that I'm the most boring person ever and its not like there is a lot of marketing tailored to medieval law-related searches (plus: ads blocked). This is the one compromise I will make with my google-hatred.
If you want a good free email service: Zoho Mail. Been using it for years and there are no ads and they've even made an effort to duplicate like every app Google has ever made (i.e. Google Docs > Zoho Writer). Technically it is tailored to business (which is where they get their money), but personal email has no limits I'm aware of. Preferred the old design/layout, but still better than gmail. Can't review Vivaldi's new email service because I haven't tried it yet. It is a very new feature and it is not totally finished, if functional. Once they get it done, I'm sure it will be excellent.

The Gallant Old Republic wrote:Oddly I've never heard of Epic. Still, see previous dislike of chrome: anything built on chromium starts looking too much like chrome, which is why Opera has been getting worse and Vivaldi is better (side note: Vivaldi is built on chromium too, but you can edit it so much that it looks and functions like firefox from 12 years ago or whatever). I have tried Brave, but same problem: too chrome-like and I'm not keen on cryptcurrency, which is ties itself too.
I tried to switch to Duck Duck Go, but my brain has become too synced to google search algorithms: I know exactly what to search for and where it will be found, I can't transition this to other searches. Oh well, I'm not actually that afraid of trackers: all they will find is that I'm the most boring person ever and its not like there is a lot of marketing tailored to medieval law-related searches (plus: ads blocked). This is the one compromise I will make with my google-hatred.
If you want a good free email service: Zoho Mail. Been using it for years and there are no ads and they've even made an effort to duplicate like every app Google has ever made (i.e. Google Docs > Zoho Writer). Technically it is tailored to business (which is where they get their money), but personal email has no limits I'm aware of. Preferred the old design/layout, but still better than gmail. Can't review Vivaldi's new email service because I haven't tried it yet. It is a very new feature and it is not totally finished, if functional. Once they get it done, I'm sure it will be excellent.

Interesting, I'll have to take a look at both of them, Vivaldi and Zoho. My focus is more on privacy than looks/feel/function, if you have not tried Tor, it is probably the least functional of any of the browsers, but likely the best for privacy, so it's a fairly niche thing. Opera is my secondary browser (I have it, Epic, and Tor installed, mostly use Epic, sometimes Opera for certain things like email, and Tor if I'm doing something more private) I have never loved it, but it is passable enough, I would agree that it is probably getting a bit worse. I'm not really much of a tech person, not good at tech or extremely interested in it, so I cannot really speak to how good Epic is with various features, but I can at least endorse it for being perfectly decent as a web browser.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RGSB7Zh2F1A

LOL. the "East side" refers to our town's ghetto. The actual fighting starts around the second half. That cop was fired and charged with assault, I thought it was kind of awesome though

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