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Hello, a friend told me to see this place. I am interested in Ahmadiyya.

Do y'all know a good Quran app though?

Harperstonia wrote:Hello, a friend told me to see this place. I am interested in Ahmadiyya.

Do y'all know a good Quran app though?

There is a nice app on Android called simply The Holy Quran, it should have a white icon with blue text and say "Quran English" or something like that. If you can read Arabic, theres Quran from Quran.com and Ayah.

Allahu Akbar.

Allahu Akbar

Brothers and Sisters, I would like to wish everyone a great day. May Allah enlighten you with his many gifts and infinite love. Today there is a storm warning around where I am so I may be around for a while today.

I believe there was a time. A time when there was a much more united Islamic community on NationStates. Unfortunately that is not the case now.

What does Ahmadiyya Caliphate think of Qur'aniyya/Quranism? Islam without hadith; regarding the Quran as a complete text (as it itself reveals to be), regarding any commentary by the Prophet (even if it can be trusted as authentically recorded & preserved) as only the word of a man and not that of Allah, and thus regarding hadith to only be optional at best for a Muslim to follow and never to be invoked against another Muslim?

Al moravids

Heresy!

Al moravids

You have prophets after Muhammad ﷺ

Al moravids wrote:You have prophets after Muhammad ﷺ

Don't you believe that Hadhrat Isa (as) will still be a prophet upon his return?

The Panjshir Valley wrote:What does Ahmadiyya Caliphate think of Qur'aniyya/Quranism? Islam without hadith; regarding the Quran as a complete text (as it itself reveals to be), regarding any commentary by the Prophet (even if it can be trusted as authentically recorded & preserved) as only the word of a man and not that of Allah, and thus regarding hadith to only be optional at best for a Muslim to follow and never to be invoked against another Muslim?

While there are ahadith that go against the Quran, we believe to disregard all is against the Quran as the Quran says to take whatever the prophet (saw) gives us. The Hadith are narrations about what the Prophet (saw) did while the Quran is simply a book instructing Muslims. The Prophet (saw) through his example, showed us how the Quran works which is called the Sunnah, and such is recorded in Hadith literature. That's why they are essential, and why Quran and Sunnah are inseparable.

https://www.alhakam.org/origins-of-sin-and-paths-to-redemption-a-brief-analysis-of-christian-atonement-and-islamic-teachings/

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Al moravids wrote:You have prophets after Muhammad ﷺ

Thats not very nice.

Merien wrote:Thats not very nice.

I know our opponents very well. They have the same recycled arguments because they can't disprove the Promised Messiah (as)

Jolthig wrote:While there are ahadith that go against the Quran, we believe to disregard all is against the Quran as the Quran says to take whatever the prophet (saw) gives us. The Hadith are narrations about what the Prophet (saw) did while the Quran is simply a book instructing Muslims. The Prophet (saw) through his example, showed us how the Quran works which is called the Sunnah, and such is recorded in Hadith literature. That's why they are essential, and why Quran and Sunnah are inseparable.

There is the counter argument, however, that only al-Qur'an is divinely protected from corruption. However vital the Prophet's words may be as Sunnah, only those Muslims who knew & followed him personally were around for his testaments.

Al-Qur'an is the Prophet giving revelation on behalf of Allah....ahadith Bukhari & co. giving revelation on behalf of the Prophet. Only the Prophet's transmission of al-Qur'an carries a divine guarantee of trustworthiness. By necessity, hadith cannot be trusted to the same extent, no matter how humanely devoted & excellent the collectors were. It seems straightforward that a Muslim, living after the time of the Prophet, is free to place less trust in the alleged "Sunnah" than al-Qur'an and choose to follow only the document guaranteed by Allah.

The surahs are more than sahih, and every sect & school struggles to subsist on even only sahih hadith alone.

Peace upon you.

I bring a prayer request to the world.

May we pray for our brothers and sisters in Palestine and Israel, may we leave our chains of hatred and distaste for each other and be friends, not enemies. May we not base our opinions and prejudices on people due to the actions of a few bad actors. I pray for our brothers and sisters in not just Israel and Palestine, but the whole world.

Peace unto you brothers and sisters. May Allah bless you with knowledge and grace.

The Panjshir Valley wrote:There is the counter argument, however, that only al-Qur'an is divinely protected from corruption. However vital the Prophet's words may be as Sunnah, only those Muslims who knew & followed him personally were around for his testaments.

Al-Qur'an is the Prophet giving revelation on behalf of Allah....ahadith Bukhari & co. giving revelation on behalf of the Prophet. Only the Prophet's transmission of al-Qur'an carries a divine guarantee of trustworthiness. By necessity, hadith cannot be trusted to the same extent, no matter how humanely devoted & excellent the collectors were. It seems straightforward that a Muslim, living after the time of the Prophet, is free to place less trust in the alleged "Sunnah" than al-Qur'an and choose to follow only the document guaranteed by Allah.

The surahs are more than sahih, and every sect & school struggles to subsist on even only sahih hadith alone.

That doesn't mean the ahadith are untrustworthy. Both the Quran and ahadith have been transmitted very similarly. Both have strong chains that go back to the Prophet (saw). Only difference is the Quran is the most strong and irrefutable chain as part of prophecy in the Quran about its preservation.

Hadith, while not having the same protection like the Quran, have been transmitted by righteous imams known for their piety and strong memory. There is a science behind it and a strong investigation of such sources leads to the conclusions that such narrations are valid. To deny such, is irresponsible in my opinion and the other extreme to blindly accepting weak Hadith that has led to the degradation of the Ummah.

May Ahmadiyya be prosperous.

Mashallah, I have returned to the faith.

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