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Regional Release | 21 August 2022
Voting Recommendation on: Repeal "Asbestos Consumption, Disposal And Worker Protection"
Voting Recommendation: FOR
This proposal seeks to repeal prior Resolution #435 which sought to regulate the use of asbestos in housing and commercial buildings due to the safety hazard such as causing lung cancer in those exposed to the dust and powder of asbestos they posed towards those living or working on the site. It also sought to regulate how to dispose of asbestos, mandating that construction be done in "short, non-continuous," intervals to avoid long term exposure to asbestos.
The Thaecian government recommends you vote for this proposal as the prior resolutions lack of asbestos testing to guarantee the safety of buildings tenants from exposure to asbestos makes this resolution weaker on governing such a harmful and dangerous chemical than it should be.
Vice Delegate of Thaecia
Lukaymmunki
I would like to proposed a recall petition for MP New Central Iowa. I encourage everyone to read it, and to sign.
Reason: Negligence of Duty
Evidence: 24 days ago, New Central Iowa (henceforth referred to as NCI) stated they were going camping, and so would be without internet. 2 days later, they were back voting. They continued to vote for 6 more days, until stopping. The last time they voted was 16 days ago. According to the current Vice President Lukaymmunki, NCI last responded to his questions around 4 days ago, showing they could have voted/ debated if they pleased. It is for these reasons that MP New Central Iowa should be recalled.
Signatures
(17 Needed)
The Ambis
Edit: According to The Minister of Home Affairs Marvinville, NCI’s WA nation CTE’d, rendering their citizenship null and void. I hearby unpetition my petition, as, according to Thaecian Law, they cannot hold office.
I love how Ambis's post refers to the Domestic Affairs Ministry as Home Affairs and the Vice Delegacy as Vice President
Ok, so, the abbreviation for Marvs positions is HAM, and I still haven’t got used to the name switch
The abbreviation isn't HAM, it used to be, back when the ministry was the Home Affairs Ministry
It's now DAM, or DA
The HAM name has literally never made sense for the ministry
For over 3.5yrs, the ministry has been referred to in the Constitution as the Ministry in charge of domestic affairs, and this became the base standard for legislation 2.5yr ago.
Yet we've had names like "Interior Ministry" and "Home Affairs Ministry"- why? It's just very confusing
So when I took office one of the first things I did was drop the "Home Affairs Minister" and "Justice Minister" titles, replacing them with their correct legal names of "Domestic Affairs" and "Legal Affairs" respectively
People are still getting used to it but (nearly) all govt documents and announcements use this, and just the same, almost every piece of legislation does the same, and all of the modern pieces of legislation do
Thank you. I will make an effort to change
Soul Drive by Stickup Kid or
That Funny Feeling by Bo Burnham
I'm late to this but mine are:
Buddy Holly by Weezer
Undone - The Sweater Song by Weezer
Island in the Sun by Weezer
Say it ain't so by Weezer
Africa by Weezer
Beverly Hills by Weezer
Snowflame and Orang Moku
We once again see the lies that TGP and the Progressives consistently tell. Remember when they mentioned only passing direct democracy when it was done via a referendum? Well, based on the vote that took place in the House, we can see that that was a lie. TGP and the Progressives have used their slim majority in order to play a terrible game of politics. TGP and the Progressives have decided to hurt newcomers knowing that in this condition, the internship bill cannot be passed. TGP and Progressives have once again shown why they will lose the House during the midterms by a large amount of votes. They have shown why they cannot be trusted to maintain their promises. And TGP has shown why the common Thaecian cannot trust them. I guarantee that in this condition, the internship bill will not be passed nor will it be passed until it is amended to create a bill friendly to all Thaecians, including newcomers. Thank you.
-Snowflame
lol Snow that's great
For Context, the amendment that apparently passed Direct Democracy was an amendment that let MPs have their own interns, instead of restricting internship appointment to Chamber Leadership.
If the depoliticization of the education of newcomers is Direct Democracy, then I don't know what to tell you.
This is nothing more than an admission that FREE, Snowflame particularly included, stands firmly against any proposal that does not give them more power, while the Progressives of the Region have consistently fought for holding elected officials accountable, expanding the rights of the regular Citizen, the depolarisation of Thaecia and ensuring the Executive have the room and powers it needs to ensure this region proposers.
FREE has fought the betterment of the region and its citizens every step of the way, and are now simply resorting to blatant lies and fearmongering to attempt to convince you that some apparent doomsday is occurring, when fact of the matter is it is not.
I'd encourage everyone to actually read the bill, and form their own opinions on whether it is good or bad. Regardless of what you believe, however, I hope you can agree with me that no version of this bill has ever been a form of Direct Democracy, soft or otherwise.
An Act to establish Congressional Internships.
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-- Written by Snowflame, Brototh --
--As Amended by:
Marvinville, Solittus, Sunipi
-- Sponsored by: Marvinville --
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Congress hereby agrees,
Section I - Any member of Congress has the ability to create a Congressional Intern position in Congress at their own discretion.
Section Ia - Additional Intern positions may be created by a Member of Congress with the approval of their Chamber Leader.
Section II - An intern is restricted to one chamber of Congress and one member of Congress.
Section III - An intern may not be a Member of Congress or the Prime Minister.
Section I - Upon Chamber Leadership being chosen for a chamber of Congress, members of Congress can post applications for those interested in being a Congressional intern for the respective Congressperson.
Section Ia - Multiple Members of Congress may have open applications for Intern positions simultaneously, and prospective interns may apply for several intern positions, but may only hold one at any given period of time.
Section II - The respective member of Congress must inform their Chamber Leader upon the appointment, resignation or dismissal of an intern.
Section I - The Chamber Leader will maintain a factbook listing the current interns. This dispatch will be made readily avaliable on the Chamber's site page.
Section II - Each intern is required to maintain a factbook listing how they would have voted for certain bills if they were Members of Congress, and can provide arguments in the factbook as to why if they so choose.
Section IIa - Interns will be allowed to post this factbook once on the Chamber's RMB. They must not engage in active bill debate on the RMB unless sponsored by a member of Congress, as is provided for in L.R.051, and can only post their thoughts on the text of the current bill in question in their factbook.
Section I - The Congressperson is obligated to discuss current business with their intern(s), and help educate them regarding the business and procedures of that chamber.
Section II - The Congressperson is encouraged to discuss a proposal they are authoring with their intern(s), and help educate them about the process of authoring a bill.
Section I - Interns can be fired by their respective Congressperson for any reason.
Section Ia - Interns can be fired by their respective Chamber Leader for breaking Thaecian law or breaking Congressional rules.
Section II - Interns cannot be fired for having a different voting opinion on issues than the Speaker or Chair.
For the record, I agree with Bow. The amendments passed are not direct democracy in any way. The only one remotely close was Amendment B, which was voted down. Snow also claims it will not pass. If you look at the current house standings, unless it’s changed in the ten minutes since I checked, THE BILL IS PASSING! Also, Bow, one of the only two progressives, has abstained.
You also talk about voting. Would you like to know the reason we win by such a large majority? It’s because there’s forty seven of us, and around 12 TGP people (this number could be wrong, Luka feel free to collect me)
We are also given voting instruction by Marv. I don’t tend to keep the telegrams, otherwise I would show you. So yeah. The reason we win by so much is because he have about 4 times the members TGP does. And we are told who to vote for.
To breaking trust and promises, again, THIS. IS. NOT. DIRECT. DEMOCRACY! I also keep in frequent touch with Luka, and he has confirmed that the spy (for you newcomers, this is what you might hear about TGP breaking your trust) has been banned from the group.
To his statement about it being less friendly to newcomers, read the one that Snowflame has (the unamended one) and then the one Bow posted. Please, continue about it being non newcomer friendly.
To round this out, I just want to say I voted Nay on the amendments. I didn’t care for them. Now that some of them passed, while I like the bill, I don’t know how I feel about the amendments. That’s why I, a FREE MP, abstained. So yeah.
Also, I don’t want 20,000 telegrams. So please, limit it to one. Or telegram a puppet if you have more things to say. I have a lot of puppets. Marv, if you hate what I said, do whatever. I don’t really care. If I can’t speak my mind, so be it.
(Sorry, this is long)
Toerana V and Marvinville
I never said the bill was gonna fail the House?
Also, I hope you realize that TGP started the entire voter list thing, right? This started like last year.
Luka is 100% going to use voter lists too lmao
If he doesn't I would be incredibly shocked, that's how you win elections and it's clear that's his thing
Honestly, everyone is like "marv just wants power", look at Luka
Vice Delegate (like, instantly) -> MP -> Speaker (failed) -> TGP Chair -> what's next? Prime Minister no doubt
Mark my words fellas
TGP and FREE are just the same, coalition should never have ended!
TGP has its own ghosts, I am not TGP. I do not disagree with the belief that TGP wants power, but that does not degrade the fact FREE has an egregious history of it to, including blatant lies and slander in a desperate attempt to smear myself and Snall, given that is what "Progressives" tends to mean in Thaecia nowadays.
Marv does just want power, as do others. Recognising the fact one is a power Hungry Party does not mean we are saying the other isn't.
I stand corrected
EDIT: I have just posted why to vote me for ASL. Check out why on the assembly RMB!
Hello, on behalf on TGP I would also like to make a comment on recent accusations. The amendment Snow is referring to has nothing to do with direct democracy, it gives interns, people who have no vote, the right to debate on the floor of their respective chamber.
Also the point about breaking trust is just incorrect, what would really break peoples trust is, just to name an example, would be sending telegrams fear mongering about a scandal that happened 8 months ago which not one member of TGP today was a part of, the person of interest in that case is now in FREE. This bills whole purpose is to make it newcomer friendly, sending telegrams without proper context to newcomers who weren't around for the scandal and have no idea that NO ONE that is a member of the party today was a member of it during the crisis isn't exact;y newcomer friendly is it?
So on behalf of The Thaecian Globalist Party, we are tired of FREE going behind our backs repeatedly to make inaccurate claims concerning the party without any provocation.
Snow to address your comment on this being untrustworthy , do I have to make a statement because we are currently passing a bill that has nothing to do with direct democracy in a democratically elected House that will send it to a democratically elected Senate where it will likely be shot down because you will use your voting instructions to tell your Senators exactly what to do.
Also Sunipi who was the leader of the party for 8 months NEVER USED VOTING RECOMMENDATIONS, we only used voter lists, which I don't intend on ruining that.
I was mostly replying to Ambis and just making a general statement
I said myself "TGP and FREE are just the same", I have never denied that FREE wants power
Just making it clear that FREE is not the only party like this: TGP have done just as many bad things in their time
Voter Recommendations...are voter lists....thank you for admitting that you use them.
Also, I NEVER mentioned that I was going to kill the bill so I have ZERO clue where that conclusion is being made. Also, no senator receives voter instructions, that is a very false statement.
No I was referring to tell your legislators how to vote.
I have no real interest in the rest of the legislative drama, but this is blatantly untrue. Snow posted the comment very publicly, on Discord and on the RMB. It's also not like TGP and FREE are still coalitioned and this is a surprise attack on the partner party
He is not exactly keeping his thoughts on this bill a secret, and if you want to use the more liberal "going behind someone's back" to be doing something without someone's permission, that would a) still imply he did it without saying, which, he did it publicly, so; b) be a really strange thing to call him out on- he criticised you without permission, does he need permission to speak against legislation he opposes?
For someone who is so opposed to "inaccurate claims", the paranoid claims that FREE uses voting instructions (which they have denied and you have no proof for), and the paranoid claim that they will likely kill the bill in the Senate (which he has never suggested, and which you have no proof for), it appears TGP embellishes and weaponizes paranoia just the same as their opposition.
I won’t deny that Luka is ambitious. But aren’t all of us? I mean, im running for delegate in September (spoiler alert). I haven’t existed on this site for a year even. Sure, Luka’s done some stuff crazy, but I ran against Marv in a recent FREE election! I also do not think we should have cut off the TGFRER coalition, and do not like the way it turned out.
TLDR;
Yes, Luka is ambitious. So are most of us. Yes, TGP and FREE are similar! And I was not saying TGP doesn’t use voter lists, I’m just saying FREE does.
You literally said, "you will use your voting instructions to tell your Senators exactly what to do."
Which was a completely false statement.
Yeah, it's pure paranoia Brototh. No FREE member has ever claimed that they are given voting instructions.
I hope that the "we" is a general term and not "we" in terms of FREE, because it was TGP that dropped the coalition
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